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Innoc · 08-12-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

The point is to not destroy vital ecosystems in the first place. From my own interpretation, when God says humans have dominion over the the plants and animals, that does not give us the right to kill God's creatures. We have become so separated from nature that what we do is now considered unnatural. We were not placed on this earth to destroy our biodiversity for the profits of our shareholders, but unfortunately that is what we have succumbed to.

Small point of correction Uber. We actually are given dominion over plants and animals and they may be used as food. It's not, however, broad enough to give a pass to being wasteful.

Scuzzy · 08-12-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

The point is to not destroy vital ecosystems in the first place. From my own interpretation, when God says humans have dominion over the the plants and animals, that does not give us the right to kill God's creatures.

If we aren't going to kill plants and animals for food, what are we going to eat? Granted, I do agree with your underlying point, that man should not intentionally go out to destroy a species. However, if man takes an area and it's resources to the greater glory of God, then that is permissable. Yes, that could in turn lead to the extinction of a species, but I would not call that a sin.

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Originally Posted by uBeR

We have become so separated from nature that what we do is now considered unnatural. We were not placed on this earth to destroy our biodiversity for the profits of our shareholders, but unfortunately that is what we have succumbed to.

I agree that all too often nature does take a back seat to profits, but there are situations where "nature" is rightly moved aside for a greater purpose.

Scuzzy

Scuzzy · 08-12-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

Small point of correction Uber. We actually are given dominion over plants and animals and they may be used as food. It's not, however, broad enough to give a pass to being wasteful.

Concur (we responded at the same time). We can use resources up to the point of gluttony, then things go downhill.

Jifcuits · 08-13-2007, 04:26 AM

The earth is overpopulated

Innoc · 08-13-2007, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jifcuits

The earth is overpopulated

Jifcuits · 08-13-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuzzy

*roll of the eyes* We are the only creatures on the planet who are intentionally trying to not consume all the resources they can. We are the only creatures that are being careful and attempting to change their environment for the better.

Scuzzy

our intentions are irrelevant in deciding if the earth is currently overpopulated with humans

Scuzzy · 08-13-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jifcuits

our intentions are irrelevant in deciding if the earth is currently overpopulated with humans

That is absolutely true, and wasn't my point at all.

But thanks for the input!

Scuzzy

Jifcuits · 08-13-2007, 04:22 PM

Spiffing, the earth is overpopulated

SkynYrd · 08-13-2007, 04:26 PM

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on....

This is necessary.

YomMamasHouse · 08-13-2007, 06:47 PM

How very simple and pointless. I am fairly certain people know life needs to feed off life but that isn't what we are discussing. We all know that humans need to eat, but we are arguing over whether or not humans should be okay with our present rate of destruction and resource consumption. I know Scuzzy made a reference to eating an apple which, just like this, misses the point. No one is saying "bad humans, stop eating animals and using resources!", I, and other people on my side of the issue, are saying that we are taking it too far.

SkynYrd · 08-13-2007, 06:50 PM

Ugh, I was quoting a song... nevermind.

Jifcuits · 08-13-2007, 06:57 PM

I find it fascinating that a very simple ecological concept can bring up such strange points

SkynYrd · 08-13-2007, 07:05 PM

I find it fascinating that a thread attacking personal freedom became an 8 page semantics rant about the environment.

Jifcuits · 08-13-2007, 08:19 PM

Why that is fascinating

Scuzzy · 08-14-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SkynYrd

I find it fascinating that a thread attacking personal freedom became an 8 page semantics rant about the environment.

QFT

uBeR · 08-14-2007, 02:54 AM

When is it OK to allow personal freedoms when infringe on other's rights? Do I have the personal freedom to throw trash in my yard? Maybe. Is necessarily helpful to the environment? Not really.

SkynYrd · 08-14-2007, 04:26 PM

Tell me who's rights they are infringing on... and I don't want some generic bullshit answer like "everyones."

StrickNine · 08-14-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SkynYrd

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on....

This is necessary.

Tool.

Scuzzy · 08-14-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StrickNine

Tool.

Prove him wrong, go eat sterile dirt for a week.

SkynYrd · 08-14-2007, 07:06 PM

No Scuzzy, he was pointing out that "Tool" is the band I quoted. He's not calling me a tool, lol.

08-14-2007, 02:54 AM	#156
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	When is it OK to allow personal freedoms when infringe on other's rights? Do I have the personal freedom to throw trash in my yard? Maybe. Is necessarily helpful to the environment? Not really. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

08-13-2007, 04:26 AM	#144
Jifcuits Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The earth is overpopulated

08-13-2007, 04:22 PM	#148
Jifcuits Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Spiffing, the earth is overpopulated

08-13-2007, 04:26 PM	#149
SkynYrd Cry some more. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bogart's Tater Patch Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on.... This is necessary.

08-13-2007, 06:47 PM	#150
YomMamasHouse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's House Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	How very simple and pointless. I am fairly certain people know life needs to feed off life but that isn't what we are discussing. We all know that humans need to eat, but we are arguing over whether or not humans should be okay with our present rate of destruction and resource consumption. I know Scuzzy made a reference to eating an apple which, just like this, misses the point. No one is saying "bad humans, stop eating animals and using resources!", I, and other people on my side of the issue, are saying that we are taking it too far.

08-13-2007, 06:50 PM	#151
SkynYrd Cry some more. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bogart's Tater Patch Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ugh, I was quoting a song... nevermind.

08-13-2007, 06:57 PM	#152
Jifcuits Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I find it fascinating that a very simple ecological concept can bring up such strange points

08-13-2007, 07:05 PM	#153
SkynYrd Cry some more. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bogart's Tater Patch Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I find it fascinating that a thread attacking personal freedom became an 8 page semantics rant about the environment.

08-13-2007, 08:19 PM	#154
Jifcuits Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Why that is fascinating

08-14-2007, 04:26 PM	#157
SkynYrd Cry some more. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bogart's Tater Patch Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Tell me who's rights they are infringing on... and I don't want some generic bullshit answer like "everyones."

08-14-2007, 07:06 PM	#160
SkynYrd Cry some more. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bogart's Tater Patch Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	No Scuzzy, he was pointing out that "Tool" is the band I quoted. He's not calling me a tool, lol.

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