Lets not have server restrictions upon release

[Everything]

I tired a use my name on the t-o server, but it got banned so i used Kenny, D:

I guess you guys on there don't tolerate the undead?

Originally Posted by ekiM

Interesting. I would estimate at least 50% of players who bunnyhop use the mousewheel and no script. Is this an unfair advantage?

In my personal opinion, no it would not be. That is a bind, not a script btw.

I am also curious how you came up with 50%?

[tu!]

no one that can ACTUALLY BHOP keyword PROPERLY/EFFECIENTLY/GOOD/WHATEVER would ever refuse to bhop. all the people that claim they can bhop but choose not are lieing...

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by tu!

no one that can ACTUALLY BHOP keyword PROPERLY/EFFECIENTLY/GOOD/WHATEVER would ever refuse to bhop. all the people that claim they can bhop but choose not are lieing...

Riiiiiight.... the world is so black and white to the young, it's kinda cute... a bit pathetic, but cute.

[tu!]

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

Riiiiiight.... the world is so black and white to the young, it's kinda cute... a bit pathetic, but cute.

prove me wrong...make a demo of yourself bhopping...

1. you won't make one, insert some excuse.
2. you cannot bhop very well/ you don't actually know what bhop means and demo will show you just jumping consecutively or something that is not bhopping.
3. some idiot on here posts a demo using your name because they have issues against me.
4. you bhop good and are 1 of the few exceptions (VERY UNLIKELY)

anyone that if comfortable doing it would never in their right mind refuse to do it...

[Lost]

Originally Posted by tu!

prove me wrong...make a demo of yourself bhopping...

1. you won't make one, insert some excuse.
2. you cannot bhop very well/ you don't actually know what bhop means and demo will show you just jumping consecutively or something that is not bhopping.
3. some idiot on here posts a demo using your name because they have issues against me.
4. you bhop good and are 1 of the few exceptions (VERY UNLIKELY)

anyone that if comfortable doing it would never in their right mind refuse to do it...

If I were any good at bhopping, I'd do #3 just out of spite, but only because you told me to.

[Afty]

I notice my exploit response got politely glossed over

Saying 99% of people who bhop use scripts is rediculous, did you know that 72.89% of all statistics are made up on the spot? Personally i use mwheeldown bound to jump and thats all.

What this all seems to boil down to is that the people at o-t cant bhop very well, otherwise you would do it and enjoy it, it adds a superb dimension to the game and means that you cant just stick a hwguy at the fd and own anything and everything that comes your way. When the game is faster it takes more skill and is more competitive. Lets face it a game like TFC is a game you try to win, its the whole point of it, even if you just "play for fun" with friends/kids you are still trying to win. why do anything if you dont strive to be better at it?

I joined your server last night, there were 3 bots there and i pinged about 150

oh and come on, attacking someones grammer? puhlease ! (this is the interweb)

[grg]

It was decided to not allow it because it became extremely clear that 99% of the people doing it were using scripts. The Clan felt using scripts to do it was an unfair advantage.

Right after I read this, I thought "hm gotta quote this", but then ekiM did it on the next post, so yay.

extremely clear that 99% of the people doing it were using scripts

I don't want to do any comparison, but people that kept saying things like "you're using script for bhop", "you use anti-conc", "you use wallhack", etc were newbies that had no clue of what was going on. I hope you are not one of those.

Funny how you were totally sure that those people were using scripts, unless you are an above average bhoper (which honestly, I don't think you are). And btw, there's some plugins out there that catch scripters, so that argument kinda failed.

And ekiM came up with 50%, but it should be more like 80%. 19% use some other button (space, like myself), and 1% (if it even exists) use a script.

no one that can ACTUALLY BHOP keyword PROPERLY/EFFECIENTLY/GOOD/WHATEVER would ever refuse to bhop. all the people that claim they can bhop but choose not are lieing...

I second that.

[Norris]

Originally Posted by Going Postal

2. OT servers originally allowed b-hopping if it could be done manually. It was decided to not allow it because it became extremely clear that 99% of the people doing it were using scripts. The Clan felt using scripts to do it was an unfair advantage. It was extremely difficult to administer the "no-script b-hopping" rule, so it was decided for ease of adminning, to just say no b-hopping at all.

hopefully they banned auto-reload as well.

[Fjorn]

don't forget double tap nade scripts, or conc/rocket/pipe jump scripts or...

[ekiM]

Originally Posted by Going Postal

In my personal opinion, [binding jump to the mousewheel] would not be [an unfair advantage].

Binding jump to the mousewheel has effectively the same effect as binding one key to multiple jumps. They both make the timing a bit easier. You think one is unfair and the other isn't. That makes no sense to me.

Unless by "script" you meant an autojump script rather than a multijump. In which case it's even more silly to say 99% of people use one.

Originally Posted by Going Postal

That is a bind, not a script btw.

Right, which is why I said they use "the mousewheel and no script". You see?

When you say "99% of people use a script" do you mean that they have one key bound to multiple jumps to make the timing easier or do you mean they just hold down a key and it jumps automatically?

Originally Posted by Going Postal

I am also curious how you came up with 50%?

Observation. From looking at other peoples' config files for whatever reason. From going to LANs, when TFC was still played at those. I actually think 50% is an underestimate. It's probably more like 75% or more use the mousewheel.

[groovyf]

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

Well, let's wrap it up then. Here's what we've learned:

1. The Old Timers don't hate bhoppers, they just don't allow bhopping on their TFC servers.
2. The Old Timers thinks you may swear as much as you want, they just don't want to hear it.
3. There are those that think The Old Timers Clan are doodoo heads for running their server the way they do.

I think that about covers it.

Works for me too. Your server, your rules. Can't quite understand why others are failing to see this and want to argue over BH benefits/drawbacks/people who can/can't bunnyhop.

*goes back to rocking chair and smokes pipe

[ekiM]

Yeah, God forbid anyone ever actually think about why they hold an opinion.

[Afty]

We know they arent going to change their minds, but this is a discussion forum... you know for .... discussing.

Its just interesting to hear peoples views, as of yet i think we have yet to hear concrete, why O-T dont allow Bhop.

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by tu!

prove me wrong...make a demo of yourself bhopping...

1. you won't make one, insert some excuse.
2. you cannot bhop very well/ you don't actually know what bhop means and demo will show you just jumping consecutively or something that is not bhopping.
3. some idiot on here posts a demo using your name because they have issues against me.
4. you bhop good and are 1 of the few exceptions (VERY UNLIKELY)

anyone that if comfortable doing it would never in their right mind refuse to do it...

Soooo, let me make sure I have this right. We can skip the whole Scuzzy makes a demo of himself bhopping because you've already decided that if I made a demo that the demo would be made by someone else using my name who has a vendetta against you personally? Usually I have to actually produce the evidence I'm asked for FIRST before it's discounted as a "fake because someone else has a vendetta against me" excuse. But hey, now I don't have to waste my time. Thanks!

Look! There's bhop liars, vendatta plotters, and doo doo heads OH MY!

Scuzzy

[Afty]

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

Soooo, let me make sure I have this right. We can skip the whole Scuzzy makes a demo of himself bhopping because you've already decided that if I made a demo that the demo would be made by someone else using my name who has a vendetta against you personally? Usually I have to actually produce the evidence I'm asked for FIRST before it's discounted as a "fake because someone else has a vendetta against me" excuse. But hey, now I don't have to waste my time. Thanks!

Look! There's bhop liars, vendatta plotters, and doo doo heads OH MY!

Scuzzy

your evidence is often declared fake then ?

edit* my grammer is atrocious !

[Ihmhi]

Originally Posted by Fjorn

don't forget double tap nade scripts, or conc/rocket/pipe jump scripts or...

...or autoreload scripts...

[Afty]

look up 8 posts Ihmhi

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Afty

What this all seems to boil down to is that the people at o-t cant bhop very well, otherwise you would do it and enjoy it, it adds a superb dimension to the game and means that you cant just stick a hwguy at the fd and own anything and everything that comes your way. When the game is faster it takes more skill and is more competitive. Lets face it a game like TFC is a game you try to win, its the whole point of it, even if you just "play for fun" with friends/kids you are still trying to win. why do anything if you dont strive to be better at it?

Wow, you can't get by an HW without bhopping around? I'm really beginning to understand why you guys can't give this up now. It's not a matter of a skill that adds to the game for you guys, it's a way to get around strategy. You guys don't have to work together, or know the finer points of attacking each class, you bhop around them and you're fine. You're used to running past everyone, not really engaging in battle, knowing how to attack each opponent to help your team mates though, you're used to running past them to get to the prize. It isn't that you don't want to play without bhop, it's that you'd be completely outmatched in a stratigic game without it... I get it now. You guys are right, this debate is pointless, you'll never be able to play without bhop.

[groovyf]

Originally Posted by ekiM

Yeah, God forbid anyone ever actually think about why they hold an opinion.

Opine away, but this debate has been done to death and back.

ForumUser1: "Oh, you don't like bunnyhopping because you can't do it!"
ForumUser2: "It's not an exploit, so it should be allowed on Servers"
etc, etc, ad infintum

PS: Scuzzy, your server pings 180 for me (it's US based I guess, but I think I'll give it a whirl) :E