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05-05-2007, 09:05 PM | #122 |
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Are you claiming that Christian scripture can only be interpreted one way?
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Please stick to your two examples. Read the passages that pertain to what you brought up and tell me if you see them as being ambiguous.
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Oh anything can be interpreted any number of ways.
not all interpretations are right, though.
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Stick to your examples ekiM. Read the passages and tell me if they're ambiguous. You chose them so let's see it through to the end. Are you being deliberately evasive in not answering?
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christianity is a joke. buddhism seems way more legit.
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Also, if there is one and only one route for us to take in each decision, that would rule out Good and Evil, because we are only doing what we're programmed to do. It's the classic "I didn't have a choice, the universe made me do it." defense.
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I can see that this thread has gone far into some areas that I wanted to avoid. I think I've made my point on good and evil not being part of nature itself, and therefor in an atheist world no act is wrong. An act may not be liked by a bunch of people, or the person that it's being done too, but that doesn't make it "wrong", it just makes it not liked.
I'm not going to jump into the other debates about religion, because that wasn't really my purpose. I was trying to explain my point of view as best I could based on the questions posed. I think we have pretty much agreed on those issues. Thanks for the discussion, Scuzzy
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I presume the framework Innoc refers to is the 10 commandments ekiM. Two things: First - Christians interpret things differently, you've answered this Innoc (in a way, not as completely as you think though). Second - There are contradictions within the bible itself, so it HAS to be open to interpretation and the moral framework cannot be absolute (at least on some issues). [EDIT] Quote:
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accrede, yes the basic moral framework is the 10 commandments but there is more that is fleshed out within the Bible. The specific points that ekiM brought up are specifically addressed within the Bible and what I was driving at is that what is stated about those two issues cannot be interpreted any other way. What you can do, however, is try to rationalize why you shouldn't follow them. It does not change the fact that your actions are in violation of that moral code. Am I under any illusion that I've fleshed any of this out thoroughly? Of course not. These posts have been hurried pecked out in between doing stuff with my son and around the house. It's Saturday...I hope you pasty faced trolls got your lazy butts out and did something useful! As far as the Catholic Church goes I see quite a few things they do that I cannot see where they are supported by scripture. It's not a matter subject to interpretation...it's flat out not supported....period. If you believe there are contradictions that throw either the baseline or expanded moral code into doubt or make it subject to interpretation then, by all means, throw it out there. ekiM still hasn't shown where the scripture is ambiguous on his two issues.
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