Do we live in a matrix-like world? - Page 6

Nuk3m · 08-23-2007, 09:17 PM

God is irrelevant.

Society will continue on its own path and morph into whatever we become. Religion helped us emerge the dark ages, next to that once science began to gain momentum, the idea of religion began to very slowly diminish.

If you were to ask an active member in society back in the 1500's, 95% would say, god exists, whichever form might I add (Christianity, Muslim, etc).

same applies with the 1600's, 1700's.

Magically, with the growing support of science in the 1800's people began to become skeptics of the existence of a Deity. The 1800's was the beginning of the turn for religion. The rate of skepticism has dramatically increased around the world, with every new generation being born into this world, more children are being raised as skeptics.

Modern society has little room for religion in major industry and business, along with metropolitan areas, where cultures are very blended, a Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist, all rooming together. Views are exchanged, and someone in that room will become mildly skeptic of their own belief. In the end, opinions will be changed, Logic will take over.

God is irrelevant.

uBeR · 08-23-2007, 11:51 PM

And today over 85% percent of people adhere to a religion. Your bash on religion as if it is irrelevant and not widespread today is completely erroneous.

tu! · 08-24-2007, 12:05 AM

i want a dumb fuck^ quote too !!!

Scuzzy · 08-24-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuk3m

God is irrelevant.

Modern society has little room for religion in major industry and business, along with metropolitan areas, where cultures are very blended, a Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist, all rooming together. Views are exchanged, and someone in that room will become mildly skeptic of their own belief. In the end, opinions will be changed, Logic will take over.

God is irrelevant.

[I personally believe]You need to get out more, meet more diverse people, you're belief that religion is dead is far off base.[/I personally believe]

Scuzzy

Innoc · 08-24-2007, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tu!

i want a dumb fuck^ quote too !!!

Keep posting...it's coming.

YomMamasHouse · 08-24-2007, 04:14 AM

I can't believe I have gone 6 pages without posting. Must....resist...

YomMamasHouse · 08-24-2007, 04:31 AM

I hate getting into debates about truth. It is very easy to pull what appears to be an effective argument for the non existence of truth out of your anus because a lot of people feel that the fact that something hasn't been disproved yet is compelling evidence to suggest it is a reasonable assumption.

Innoc · 08-24-2007, 04:42 AM

If you hate it then stay out.

Backstaber · 08-24-2007, 04:48 AM

I'm going to take your first sentence and turn it into a highly misinterpreted quote.

Innoc · 08-24-2007, 04:51 AM

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I'm going to take your first sentence and turn it into a highly misinterpreted quote.

Ok...you need to post that in the "Laugh and you lose" thread....I just lost!

halo · 08-24-2007, 10:14 AM

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I hate getting into debates about truth. It is very easy to pull what appears to be an effective argument for the non existence of truth out of your anus because a lot of people feel that the fact that something hasn't been disproved yet is compelling evidence to suggest it is a reasonable assumption.

It has been disproved. No leaps of logic involved. A whole series of philosophers have adequately thought out that absolute truth is unattainable. As a concept it's quite viable and useful, but also unreachable and in that sense it doesn't exist. In order for reality to become truth the perfect knowledge of it has to exist inside someone, otherwise it's not truth. It's just things that exist not being accurately known. Truth cannot occur, but it's a good ideal to work towards.

Scuzzy · 08-24-2007, 12:50 PM

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It has been disproved. No leaps of logic involved. A whole series of philosophers have adequately thought out that absolute truth is unattainable. As a concept it's quite viable and useful, but also unreachable and in that sense it doesn't exist. In order for reality to become truth the perfect knowledge of it has to exist inside someone, otherwise it's not truth. It's just things that exist not being accurately known. Truth cannot occur, but it's a good ideal to work towards.

Let's talk about absolute truth and logic for a moment....

Absolute truth has been disproved? Wouldn't that in itself BE an absolute truth then? Stating that Absolute Truth has been disproved is in itself defeating and self contradictory, it actually proves that an absolute truth does exist by your statement of it's non existence. Thanks.

Second, we can't know absolute truth does not exists because to do so we'd have to know absolutely everything in order to rule it out. BUT, for arguments sake, let's say we did know everything, and could state for a fact that absolute truth did not exist, then absolute truth would be proved to exist because the fact that it didn't exist before would have been an absolute truth! WOO HOO! It's like a merry go round!

Now, since it really does exist because of it's own definition.... and here's the real kicker.... for their to be absolute truth it must been defined by somebody... eh?

Scuzzy

accrede · 08-24-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by halo

It has been disproved. No leaps of logic involved. A whole series of philosophers have adequately thought out that absolute truth is unattainable. As a concept it's quite viable and useful, but also unreachable and in that sense it doesn't exist. In order for reality to become truth the perfect knowledge of it has to exist inside someone, otherwise it's not truth. It's just things that exist not being accurately known. Truth cannot occur, but it's a good ideal to work towards.

Let's talk about absolute truth and logic for a moment....

Absolute truth has been disproved? Wouldn't that in itself BE an absolute truth then? Stating that Absolute Truth has been disproved is in itself defeating and self contradictory, it actually proves that an absolute truth does exist by your statement of it's non existence. Thanks.

Come on scuzzy that not what he means at all. It might be there in his first four word sentence, but after that he clarifies what he means, making your response mostly redundant.

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Now, since it really does exist because of it's own definition.... and here's the real kicker.... for their to be absolute truth it must been defined by somebody... eh?

Why?

Scuzzy · 08-24-2007, 04:34 PM

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Why?

Absolute truth would be a defined order, would it not?

Scuzzy · 08-24-2007, 04:36 PM

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Come on scuzzy that not what he means at all. It might be there in his first four word sentence, but after that he clarifies what he means, making your response mostly redundant.

I disagree, he clarifies the absolute truth that absolute truth doesn't exist... which is a self defeating concept.

Scuzzy

halo · 08-24-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuzzy

Let's talk about absolute truth and logic for a moment....

Absolute truth has been disproved? Wouldn't that in itself BE an absolute truth then? Stating that Absolute Truth has been disproved is in itself defeating and self contradictory, it actually proves that an absolute truth does exist by your statement of it's non existence. Thanks.

Okay. Let's start by defining terms again because it might help you to stop typing crap. Thoms Aquinas: "Truth is the conformity of the intellect to the things." In other words truth is the utterly precise knowledge of reality within a human's mind.

Saying that absolute truth does not exist because this precision of knowledge is unattainable is not an absolute truth. Infact the concept of an absolute truth is flawed, it would be the absolute truth. At a level, no matter how low, everything is linked in the massive chemical chain reaction of the universe meaning that for the knowledge to be utterly precise, it would have to be complete.

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Second, we can't know absolute truth does not exists because to do so we'd have to know absolutely everything in order to rule it out. BUT, for arguments sake, let's say we did know everything, and could state for a fact that absolute truth did not exist, then absolute truth would be proved to exist because the fact that it didn't exist before would have been an absolute truth! WOO HOO! It's like a merry go round!

Well I think I answered this point above, the opening statement there is a contradiction. The fact that no-one knows everything is another proof that absolute truth cannot exist.

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Now, since it really does exist because of it's own definition.... and here's the real kicker.... for their to be absolute truth it must been defined by somebody... eh

That doesn't make any sense to me at any level. If you could rephrase please, perhaps at more length, because I just can't get any meaning out of that paragraph.

Scuzzy · 08-25-2007, 03:10 AM

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That doesn't make any sense to me at any level. If you could rephrase please, perhaps at more length, because I just can't get any meaning out of that paragraph.

It's beyond you, and I do not mean that in a negative sense, it just is.

**squeek.** · 08-25-2007, 03:22 AM

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It's beyond you

In what way could that be perceived as anything but negative?

Innoc · 08-25-2007, 04:00 AM

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In what way could that be perceived as anything but negative?

Well it doesn't necessarily have to be intended to be insulting nor does it have to be received as being insulting. The recipient can still choose to be insulted regardless of what the intent of the speaker was with the statement.

uBeR · 08-25-2007, 04:02 AM

It's not simply a matter of choosing; if the writer can't select a good choice of words, then that is what it becomes. Quite frankly, what's written there is probably beyond anyone but Scuzzy.

08-23-2007, 11:51 PM	#102
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	And today over 85% percent of people adhere to a religion. Your bash on religion as if it is irrelevant and not widespread today is completely erroneous. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.* Last edited by uBeR; 08-24-2007 at 12:22 AM.

08-24-2007, 04:42 AM	#108
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08-25-2007, 04:02 AM	#120
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's not simply a matter of choosing; if the writer can't select a good choice of words, then that is what it becomes. Quite frankly, what's written there is probably beyond anyone but Scuzzy. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

08-23-2007, 09:17 PM	#101
Nuk3m Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA! Class/Position: Scout / Offense Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: :e0: Founder Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	God is irrelevant. Society will continue on its own path and morph into whatever we become. Religion helped us emerge the dark ages, next to that once science began to gain momentum, the idea of religion began to very slowly diminish. If you were to ask an active member in society back in the 1500's, 95% would say, god exists, whichever form might I add (Christianity, Muslim, etc). same applies with the 1600's, 1700's. Magically, with the growing support of science in the 1800's people began to become skeptics of the existence of a Deity. The 1800's was the beginning of the turn for religion. The rate of skepticism has dramatically increased around the world, with every new generation being born into this world, more children are being raised as skeptics. Modern society has little room for religion in major industry and business, along with metropolitan areas, where cultures are very blended, a Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist, all rooming together. Views are exchanged, and someone in that room will become mildly skeptic of their own belief. In the end, opinions will be changed, Logic will take over. God is irrelevant.

08-24-2007, 12:05 AM	#103
tu! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i want a dumb fuck^ quote too !!!

08-24-2007, 04:14 AM	#106
YomMamasHouse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's House Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I can't believe I have gone 6 pages without posting. Must....resist...

08-24-2007, 04:31 AM	#107
YomMamasHouse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's House Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I hate getting into debates about truth. It is very easy to pull what appears to be an effective argument for the non existence of truth out of your anus because a lot of people feel that the fact that something hasn't been disproved yet is compelling evidence to suggest it is a reasonable assumption.

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Backstaber Custom User Title D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey Class/Position: Scout Offence Gametype: Capture The Flag Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm going to take your first sentence and turn it into a highly misinterpreted quote.

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