Anti-War Protesters Fight Military Recruiters in Schools

[o_zsilver_fox]

So you're not American, but yet you act like you're the biggest expert on the war ever?

I'll quit now, as this debate won't get anywhere. We're both ignorant towards all the facts, and won't have our views budged.

[o_travis dane]

Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

Qui: Yea, god forbid people take pride in their country.

There is a difference between pride and willfull ignorance. Do I need to mention what patrionism did to people approximetly 65 years ago?

[o_ekim]

I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm stating facts. If you can't handle that then that's your perogative.

[o_zsilver_fox]

I said act, not claim. Bit of a difference there, if your simple liberal mind can handle it.

[o_ekim]

So how is stating a simple irefutable fact acting like an expert? There were no WMD and apparently you're unwilling to accept that so you're resorting to petty insults.

[o_zsilver_fox]

And having fun with it too.

[o_salty milkshake]

Liberal:
# Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
# Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Fuck me that's sounds awful! They should shoot the lot of them!

[o_zsilver_fox]

Most Liberal ideas here in America are almost directly from the Communist Manifesto. I'm not sure about the Tundra of Canada, so whatever he thinks, let him think it.

Opinions are like assholes. I prefer mine and my mates.

[o_travis dane]

Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

Most Liberal ideas here in America are almost directly from the Communist Manifesto.

Association Fallacy.

[o_salty milkshake]

Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

Most Liberal ideas here in America are almost directly from the Communist Manifesto.

you're an idiot

I'm not sure about the Tundra of Canada, so whatever he thinks, let him think it.

you're an idiot

[o_qui]

So you're not American, but yet you act like you're the biggest expert on the war ever?

Just stop talking.

My friend passed by my computer, and was so enraged by what you were saying, that he wanted to post, so here it is:

The only, and I repeat...the ONLY reason Bush's opponents are bashing him so badly is the fact that they want America to hate the Republican party so much that they will have an almost guaranteed chance at putting a super-liberal into power in 2008.

Good theory there chum, any facts to back it up with? I think you'll find the reason that I "bash the Bush" so badly is because I don't agree with the way he runs things. Oh but of course I'm probably just covering for what I really think. It's almost like you've come up with you're own conspiracy theory there, no?

Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books

Just LOL tbh

Did I forget to mention fascist? I'm sorry Mr. picky.

Yeah it was OBVIOUS what you meant, what with all your other posts making so much sense

Your boy Kerry believed it

Assumption that anyone who disagrees with Bush is a Kerry supporter, good job there you ignoramus

So you're not American, but yet you act like you're the biggest expert on the war ever?

I thought being american made you more stupid, not more clever. Just kidding of course, the real answer is how the hell does being american mean you know more about the war?

Also I like the way that some supporters of the war seem to label anyone who questions any aspect of the ethics of it as unpatriotic, or even worse a filthy liberal. How is someone unpatriotic if they think that their country has made a mistake? Unless the country never makes mistakes then surely these questions are valid? Perhaps if you just explained rationally, in a balanced and sensible way then you could free the liberals from their communist brainwashing and america would be back on track. But of course this would require you to have answers for everything. Unless you just admit that things got a little bit messed up on the way. Or would that be unpatriotic? I just don't know any more.

[o_zsilver_fox]

You libs really are funny when you get trolled . *gets some more popcorn*

[o_the_decoy]

Originally Posted by ekiM

Let me reiterate though - there were no WMD. The USA was under no threat whatsoever from Iraq.

I feel no threat from any other Country's military. IRAQ were under threat from thier own friggin leader!! Again, think about someone else for a change.

[o_the_decoy]

[quote="qui"]

Yeah it was OBVIOUS what you meant, what with all your other posts making so much sense

I'm sorry for having fun with my other posts in stuff that invloves non-real life stuff. Here is my opinion, respect it and I will do the same for yours.

[o_ekim]

Originally Posted by zSilver_fox

You libs really are funny when you get trolled Laughing. *gets some more popcorn*

Ah so you're just being an obnoxious ass, you don't believe what you're saying. Thanks for the clarification, I'll try to ignore your posts in future.

Originally Posted by THE_DECOY

I feel no threat from any other Country's military. IRAQ were under threat from thier own friggin leader!! Again, think about someone else for a change.

Again, that's your after-the-fact justification. Before Iraq started showing up in the news I doubt you ever thought about the plight of the Iraqi people. Are you calling for your government to overthrow all other non-democratic regimes by illegal invasion?

[o_zsilver_fox]

Liberals speaking of ignorance, how ironic.


*gets some more popcorn*

[o_ekim]

Try harder..

[o_backstaber]

This is a quote from one of my friends debates on the war in Iraq, but this doesn't mean I'm entering this one.

The following led up to the war in Iraq-
1. 12 years of Saddam refusing to comply with the terms of his surrender in the Gulf War
2. 12 years of almost daily firing on UN planes in the "no fly zone" (these were British and American)
3. 12 years of refusing to fully dismantle his war machine as ordered by the Gulf War peace accords
4. 12 years of refusing UN inspectors full and unfettered access to inspect Iraqi weapons sites
5. 12 years of intelligence reports from various nations (Great Britain, Germany, Israel, France, the CIA) that Saddam was pursuing nuclear and biological capabilities
6. At the time of the invasion, most of the intelligence communities in the world said that Iraq was pursuing a WMD program
7. At the time of the invasion, the UN assumed he was pursuing a WMD prgram, as why else would he hamper UN weapons inspectors like Hans Blix?
8. At the time of the invasion, the UN didn't say Saddam didn't have WMD's, but instead urged for "more time" to allow inspections
9. Saddam had used WMD's against Iran and the Kurds in Iraq, showing a propensity to use such weapons
10. During the Gulf War, Saddam launched SCUD missles at Israel, hoping to draw them into the fray, and spark an Arab/Israeli conflict
11. Iraq had systematically killed and tortured any who oppossed Saddam
12. Iraq cheated on it's oil for food program, selling contracts for oil to Russian, French, and German concerns (how odd that those nations are the ones who most opposed the UN or US taking actions in Iraq...) while pocketing large sums of money and *not* using the revenue to help Iraq's people.

Basically, what led to the war was Saddam's refusal to abide by UN resolutions, his failure to abide by the terms of his surrender inthe first Gulf War, and the perception (by all intelligence communities, not just the US's) that Saddam was looking to produce WMD's.

In hindsight, we can see that the WMD program was either dismantled, or that WMD's were hidden or shipped to Iran or Syria. The large stores of WMD's had not materialized. So apparently, the US Intelligence community was fooled (as were British, French, German, and other nation's intelligence).

That said, why didn't Saddam just submit to the inspections? Why didn't he abide by the UN resolutions or the surrender agreement? He could have avoided this whole mess, and been living the high life in Bagdad?

Perhaps he liked being viewed as powerful and dangerous? Perhaps he didn't like answering to the UN? But regardless, for 12 years, he thumbed his nose at the rest of the world (yes, Canada, you too), and refused to abide by his own surrender agreement.

[o_friedbunny]

Alright, this has degraded into:

Brainwashed Conservative Person: Liberals are commies!!1
British Person A: Errm, you're an idiot.
Brainwashed Conservative Person A: Liberals are commies!!1
British Person B: You're still an idiot.

... so yes, liberals win this thread.