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Radical Islam didn't have beef with Canada until we entered Afghanistan; I guess they didn't realize we were 99% alike to the US in rights and freedoms until that happened.
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This was the main reason I stayed away from this thread... I knew it'd get into a feud... Want more debating-friendly forums? Try volconvo.com... I debate there all the time... I know this is chat, but seriously... We obviously know both your opinions on the matter, and going any further would be like allowing you both to bust your heads to a bloody pulp against a brick wall with spikes on it, then eating a bunch of shattered glass, and then swallowing a live king cobra and then televising it world wide. That or 2girls1cup :P.
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Any forum that isn't boring will have the occasional argument.
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Al Qaeda states that their primary motivation is US intervention in the Middle East, this may not be their only motivation, and the United States is absolutely not to blame in any way the actions that Al Qaeda takes in response to their motivation.Sound good to you? Quote:
US Foreign policy is not the only thing Al Qaeda dislikes about the US.Since we do agree on those subjects, that's a good basis to start a discussion on what can be done. However, I think we can work on our "mutual statement" above to get to common ground. I am not trying to continually change the subject back to your solutions to this problem. I am just very eager to hear from someone of your political point of view, how we can solve the problem. I didn't mean to offend you, or divert you away from subject you felt so strongly about. I hope my solution regarding the motivation and blame topic meets your requirements. Scuzzy
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What's there to contribute? I mean, you already beaten the dead horse quite alot...
He's right KubeDawg, just..let him, ekiM and uBeR debate and stay of it.
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Is it your contention, Scuzzy, that when a detective is looking for a motive in a homicide, that is he blaming the victim?
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You've claimed that if we claim that the woman's alluring clothing motivated the rape then we are blaming the woman for the rape. This is bullshit, whether or not rape is actually motivated by sexual desire. Statement A: The woman's clothing partially motivated the rape, as it made her sexually attractive to the man. Statement B: The woman is partially to blame for the rape. A does not imply B, whether or not A is actually true. This is basic logic. Not saying anything unless until you understand and acknowledge this. |
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Now, we'd agreed on the following: US Foreign policy is not the only thing Al Qaeda dislikes about the US.I'd really like to hear your solutions now on the following:
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Understand that Al Qaeda is an organisation with a few thousand members, no territory and no significant military capability. They can fantasise about overthrowing western governments and establishing a caliphate but both you and they would be insane if you thought that they had any way of bringing about that goal. What they can actually try to accomplish is futile strikes against western interests, domestic and military, and attempts to disrupt governments local to them through, e.g. assassinations, suicide bombings. Understand that the direct way to fight terrorism is through effective police and intelligence services. Armies cannot fight terrorism. Cops can. How do we fight terrorism directly? Ensure that our internal security services have what they need to fight terror. Support Middle Eastern regimes in their efforts to fight terrorism within their own borders. It's comforting to fantasise that our sherrif can go out into the hills and round up all of the villains but it's unrealistic. The indirect way to fight terrorism is to remove support for terrorism. The war in Iraq is a cause of terrorism, not a cure. Pull out of Iraq, as soon as it is reasonable to do so. They don't want us there, we don't want to be there. Same deal in Afghanistan. Don't invade countries without a UN mandate. Support democratic Middle Eastern regimes in their efforts to fight terrorism within their own borders. Don't alienate and demonize nations such as Iran. Their aims do not coincide with our own but their leaders are not insane monsters and their peoples are human. Support Israel but don't offer unconditional support to Israel. Hope like hell the palestinian crisis gets solved. Close Gitmo. Stop torturing people. Don't allow another Abu Graihb. Stop extraordinary rendition. Those things are excellent propoganda for anti-US sentiment and should be abhorent to you anyway as a free nation. In a nutshell - continue all standard counter-terrorism efforts and stop making bad foreign policy decisions. Don't fantasise that we can invade Al Qaeda-stan and kill them all. Throwing military weight around unnecessarily just increases support for terrorism and thus the number of terrorists. Just for fun, I'd like your answer to the questions you posed above. How do you think that one fights terrorism? |
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More of my 5 cents since I have put in way more then 2........
US, UK, Aust....etc. = Good
N. Korea, Iran, Al Queda, Cuba, Venuzeula, Nicaragua...etc = Very Bad Terrorists, African Warlords, South American Drug Lords, US Drug Lords, Racists...etc = Evil United Nations = NULL Good - Very Bad - Evil = Happier World "YAY" +/- NULL All of the US and Friends or Friends and the US deserve hugs. dh
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You're desperately trying to change the subject. I'm refusing to do so. I've always made it clear that I'm uninterested in debating politics with you. Twice in this thread I've indulged you with my answers to your political questions, but am uninterested in debating them further with you. This is in no way hypocritical.
I entered this thread to get you to acknowledge one factual point, and later one logical point. You're not interested in that, making concessions only to give yourself an opportunity to change the subject. You want to pontificate on politics. I'm not interested in that. That's it, I guess. You don't care that your opinions are based on fantasy and illogic. Good for you. |
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Al Qaeda states that their primary motivation is US intervention in the Middle East, this may not be their only motivation, and the United States is absolutely not to blame in any way the actions that Al Qaeda takes in response to their motivation. Thanks for conversation ekiM, I'm glad you do not blame the United States, it's big of you to admit that finally. Scuzzy
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You spent the last however many pages debating about something ekiM and Uber didn't try to claim. All he wanted you to understand was that the USA's actions in the Middle East did in fact motivate Al Qaeda's actions; since some people have been trying to either deny it or evade that point. For some reason your fallacy-o-matic of a brain conflated that with other things such as him saying it put blame on the USA for Al Qaeda attacks. Neither of them deserve the insolence you have shown in your responses. |
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