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The whole Israeli/Palestinian debate is for another thread.
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09-03-2010, 04:39 AM | #82 |
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The usual error of causality vs culpability is made. He is entirely correct in saying that the USA's foreign policy is a driving cause behind the attacks against them. There are a lot of countries that radical Islam dislikes because of inherent conflicts in philosophy, but the USA is the primary target because of their actions in the Middle East.
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YMH, there's also piece of history that especially sucks. Doesn't mean we knew it was going to happen or deserved it or anything... just really sucks.
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09-03-2010, 11:03 AM | #84 |
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Wait, you mean they don't hate us because we wear blue jeans? Lies.
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What? Elaborate.
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09-03-2010, 11:40 PM | #88 |
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The people who attacked the towers on 911 would have attacked and killed anyone with equal pleasure. A mall in London, a restaurant in spain, a subway station in Germany, some kids in Isreal, a family in India, their own brothers in Yemen, some women in the Sudan, a village in Moraco. Doesn't matter. And most Militias in Iraq are out for themselves taking advantage of the "opportunity". Like cartels in Mexico. But don't get me wrong, we FUCKED up going to Iraq.
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So you would contend that the choice of the trade center as a target had nothing to do with foreign policy?
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No. If that is the case it's against the whole world not just us. It's more because we aren't their version of holy.
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My point was that the radical Islamic groups do hate the western world for the liberal, secular foundations of its society since that is something their religion condemns - but the violence they have committed against the US was very much result of anger primarily caused by US foreign policy in addition to the usual.
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About the only foreign policy they had us on at the time would be Isreal, (UN policy if anything we keep their ass in check) our support of saudi arabia (at the request and expense of the kingdom) what else? Afgansitan support during Russion takeover? Maybe a personal vendetta for a nut job. Iran? Like they care what we think.
I honestly think that if we had the foreign policy of the swiss it wouln't have matter. They are just fucking crazy.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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oh right, thats just a relatively minor thing
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Reality is a hard pill to swallow
Like I said thats a UN position. And I do believe we keep them in check more than any other outside influence. But we've all had the Isreal discussion before.
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Fact is there are plenty of examples of Islamic radical violence that has nothing to do with US Foreign Policy.
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The incoherence is stupefying. Actions have consequences. Sure, muslims terrorize people from all over the place, and not just the US, but this is hardly evidence to the fact that America was just sitting there with it's hands folded and those big and bad evil Muslims attacked us because we wear blue jeans! I also have a feeling that the Mujihadeen didn't like the fact that they were used as a tool by the CIA/US Government to fight the Soviets, and were quickly discarded once they served their purpose. Nor do I think that Iran appreciates us assassinating their democratically-elected leaders, installing a pro-US dictator, all to serve oil interests (Modern-day BP), who were fucking over the Iranian people. Nope, they hate us because we wear blue jeans.
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Also, bringing up the UN in a discussion about foreign policy is nothing more than a joke. The UN is the least competent organization in the world, it has virtually no resources, and is little more than a PR stunt on a global scale. Perhaps the only part of the UN which has any weight to toss around, is the Security Council, which, playing into the general theme here, the US basically has supreme control over. Which makes the existence of the UN kind of redundant.
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Please clarify who you are directing that comment to.
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