Anti-War Protesters Fight Military Recruiters in Schools

[o_bokko]

What the hell? Are you like ten years old or something?

[o_friedbunny]

Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

You're welcome. The only reason you're free to publicly share such an opinion without legitimate fear of reprisal is due to those men and women who served. Also, the only reason we're having this conversation now is also due to the actions of the US Military (creators of the Internet).

FYI, I have never seen instances of aggressive recruiting. Just as Circ said, they are in strip Malls and other places and have booths at Fairs and events like that. No one is being "Shanghai'd" or being forced to serve.

Like I mentioned, patriotism may have been a factor in the decision of (sane and undrafted) persons who joined the military some time in the distant past, say pre-Vietnam, but I see little evidence of it having significant bearing now. Folks might tell themselves it is, selfless service to ones nation certainly is perceived as a noble aspiration, but in most cases I doubt that it outweights any practical concerns.

If folks in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al are really fighting to protect our rights, why is it that we're continually losing civil liberties?

Originally Posted by 651ett

Iraq War- 2,000 Americans
Vietnam War- 58,000 Americans
World War 2- 417,200 Americans
World War 1- 116,500 Americans

Just compare these and you will see that it really is not bad, but the reason it is so controversial is because many believe we are over there for oil. I'm not exactly sure on that subject so I'll just stay out of it.

Errm, did you get that from Fox News? Only 382 died in the first Gulf War, which would be, by far, the most comparable conflict. (Here's Colbert's take on it. )

[o_salty milkshake]

lol quality (the colbert thing, not the other thing), I'd be interested to know how the 400+ non combat fatilities have occured? Any nominations for the darwin award?

[o_yomamashouse]

Go for the second one!!

[o_etzell]

Originally Posted by 651ett

ok bokko, you have two options.you can take one or both.
1.kiss my ass.
2.suck my dick

Proving his point is a bad way to show him who's boss.

[o_binarylife]

Surely if you're getting sent out to Iraq it has to rank up there with the most dangerous jobs in the world? What's the death toll up to now? 2100?

And yet...it doesn't. Did I say or imply it wasn't dangerous? I in fact did not. When you join the military you take a risk. If they go to war, certianly your job would increase in danger. However, even then the military is never listed as the most dangerous job, stastistically speaking. Read Freakonomics, Crack dealing is actualy quite dangerous, and you get incredibally limited pay off for the risk.

No, it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, but its an interesting bit of info. Fact is, even in times of war, the military doesn't rank as high as you may think... currently speaking that is.

Those that have died did not do so keeping your country safe

This depends on your perception of harm. I agree, no immidiate harm was present in Iraq. However, I do also believe that it was the governments idea that there was, and that weapons did exists. What this foul up demonstrates, is that some very serious restructuring needsto go on. Mistakes of this magnitude should be considered unacceptable... and yet... our president, and most of the people involved all still have there jobs. To think, I can get fired for not wearing my uniform a few days in a row.

In the next few decades the military are going to be used more and more as a tool for securing oil for the US. This isn't tinfoil hat speak, it's a certainty. Are you so happy for people to die for that?

All I can say is this: Prove it. Without circumstancial, conspiracy theory evidence. Prove it with tangable, written, documented, proof. Do so, and I will instantly, un-agressively withdraw.

[o_the_decoy]

I look at it this way: I joined to fight for Americans as well as non-Americans. Why not look past your own damned nose for a change and give what you didn't earn to someone that need it more than you do...that being the freedoms that we have. Screw defending America...thats what the National Guard and Coast Guard are here for. I didn't sigh up to defend my home, I could very easliy defend "my" home with an M1917 rifle and a case of ammo. I joined to help my country give what my forefathers gave to me to other across the globe. All those kids in Iraq are now getting better schools and hospitals. The women over there are finally getting a voice. That my friends is somthing that wouldn't have happened if Saddam was still in power. The only, and I repeat...the ONLY reason Bush's opponents are bashing him so badly is the fact that they want America to hate the Republican party so much that they will have an almost guaranteed chance at putting a super-liberal into power in 2008. What most people don't realize is that your radical liberal politicians want to turn our government communist so bad they can't stand it. Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books and see what I'm talking about. All they want you to do is give the federal government more power with all these "benifit programs" that only in effect take away your freedoms granted to you in the constitution. Thats enough ranting for now...

...back to the main point of the post. Nice job to the people protesting, however military recruiters have as much right to be in a public school as any other job recruiters. You want Military out of schools? Fine, then take away networking certification programs, welding classes, autobody repair, shop. WHen you protest this kind of crap in a PUBLIC school, then you need to realize that the Military has the same rights to be there as any other job-related material.

[o_coldy]

Originally Posted by 651ett

1.kiss my ass.
2.suck my dick

Will you hold me after?

[o_ivaqual]

Originally Posted by THE_DECOY

Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books

Either you have some kind of very clever humour, or your licence to express yourself should be revoked.

[o_the_decoy]

Did I forget to mention fascist? I'm sorry Mr. picky. Throw in socialist while were at it.

[o_salty milkshake]

Originally Posted by BinaryLife

And yet...it doesn't. Did I say or imply it wasn't dangerous? I in fact did not.

You're an idiot. Do you talk like that IRL? Do you get punched a lot?
Less dangerous than crack dealing...good example

This depends on your perception of harm. I agree, no immidiate harm was present in Iraq. However, I do also believe that it was the governments idea that there was, and that weapons did exists.

Personally I'm not all that convinced that they ever thought there were WMD's, but supposing they did, such weapons posed NO THREAT to your soil. Worst case scenario these imaginary weapons may possibly have been able to reach Israel, but the chances of Saddam deciding to attack israel were virtually zero.
Might have used them against Iran, they don't really get on, but then we don't really like Iran much either do we, probably be attacking them ourselves before too long.

All I can say is this: Prove it. Without circumstancial, conspiracy theory evidence. Prove it with tangable, written, documented, proof. Do so, and I will instantly, un-agressively withdraw.

/me gets to work getting hold of some sort of secret plan signed by high ranking officials....

No circumstantial evidence you say, so if the countries that are invaded over the next few decades all happen to have supplies of oil, that will be, as you rightly say, circumstantial evidence and justifyably inadmissible as proof...

[o_zsilver_fox]

Originally Posted by THE_DECOY

I look at it this way: I joined to fight for Americans as well as non-Americans. Why not look past your own damned nose for a change and give what you didn't earn to someone that need it more than you do...that being the freedoms that we have. Screw defending America...thats what the National Guard and Coast Guard are here for. I didn't sigh up to defend my home, I could very easliy defend "my" home with an M1917 rifle and a case of ammo. I joined to help my country give what my forefathers gave to me to other across the globe. All those kids in Iraq are now getting better schools and hospitals. The women over there are finally getting a voice. That my friends is somthing that wouldn't have happened if Saddam was still in power. The only, and I repeat...the ONLY reason Bush's opponents are bashing him so badly is the fact that they want America to hate the Republican party so much that they will have an almost guaranteed chance at putting a super-liberal into power in 2008. What most people don't realize is that your radical liberal politicians want to turn our government communist so bad they can't stand it. Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books and see what I'm talking about. All they want you to do is give the federal government more power with all these "benifit programs" that only in effect take away your freedoms granted to you in the constitution. Thats enough ranting for now...

...back to the main point of the post. Nice job to the people protesting, however military recruiters have as much right to be in a public school as any other job recruiters. You want Military out of schools? Fine, then take away networking certification programs, welding classes, autobody repair, shop. WHen you protest this kind of crap in a PUBLIC school, then you need to realize that the Military has the same rights to be there as any other job-related material.

Amen. *salutes*

I'll keep out of this debate myself. But, I will invite some Conservative friends of mine to join in. We love defeating conspiracy theorists like Mr. Oil.

[o_zsilver_fox]

Originally Posted by THE_DECOY

I look at it this way: I joined to fight for Americans as well as non-Americans. Why not look past your own damned nose for a change and give what you didn't earn to someone that need it more than you do...that being the freedoms that we have. Screw defending America...thats what the National Guard and Coast Guard are here for. I didn't sigh up to defend my home, I could very easliy defend "my" home with an M1917 rifle and a case of ammo. I joined to help my country give what my forefathers gave to me to other across the globe. All those kids in Iraq are now getting better schools and hospitals. The women over there are finally getting a voice. That my friends is somthing that wouldn't have happened if Saddam was still in power. The only, and I repeat...the ONLY reason Bush's opponents are bashing him so badly is the fact that they want America to hate the Republican party so much that they will have an almost guaranteed chance at putting a super-liberal into power in 2008. What most people don't realize is that your radical liberal politicians want to turn our government communist so bad they can't stand it. Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books and see what I'm talking about. All they want you to do is give the federal government more power with all these "benifit programs" that only in effect take away your freedoms granted to you in the constitution. Thats enough ranting for now...

...back to the main point of the post. Nice job to the people protesting, however military recruiters have as much right to be in a public school as any other job recruiters. You want Military out of schools? Fine, then take away networking certification programs, welding classes, autobody repair, shop. WHen you protest this kind of crap in a PUBLIC school, then you need to realize that the Military has the same rights to be there as any other job-related material.

Amen. *salutes*

I'll keep out of this debate myself. But, I will invite some Conservative friends of mine to join in. We love defeating conspiracy theorists like Mr. Oil.


But, while I'm here, my view on the war in Iraq:

Saddam "Insane" was a dictator, the definition of evil. You wanted to even breathe the word democracy there? Say hello the meat grinders, and pray he's in a good mood so you won't go in feet first. Entire families were kidnapped overnight there.

Iraq now has a Democracy. They voted. They're getting rights and freedoms that they could only dream of before. I don't care what you think of my country, but the UN wasn't taking any real action against Saddam's showing off of WMDs. We needed to eliminate that threat and get rid of the tyranny that Saddam held. And you know what? He's out. Yes, we're having issues with suicide bombers, but there are only so many out there that won't get arrested. Iraq has a police force now, and people have been lining up by the hundreds to vote. We're giving the people of Iraq what they wanted. If you're going to listen to the Communist News Network and take everything they say as Gospel (or ANY major television news network), then who's the sheep?

[o_salty milkshake]

When someone says something you don't like they are a communist or a facist? since they're essentially the same thing anyway apparently

[o_qui]

Patriotism is an evil thing, its terrible to see how many people can influenced by playing such a cheap card.

[o_zsilver_fox]

Qui: Yea, god forbid people take pride in their country.

Normally, I would flame you, but I've had a real bad past couple of days, and your ignorance just isn't worth my time.

[o_qui]

Ive been owned there.

Just as well ignorance is bliss

[o_ekim]

Originally Posted by THE_DECOY

Read through "The Communist Manefesto," "Mein Kampf," or some other Marxist/Communist books and see what I'm talking about.

Hitler, well known Marxist and hero of all liberals, everywhere..

Originally Posted by zSilver_fox

the UN wasn't taking any real action against Saddam's showing off of WMDs. We needed to eliminate that threat and get rid of the tyranny that Saddam held

There were no WMD. There was no threat.

Originally Posted by silver_fox

Saddam "Insane" was a dictator, the definition of evil. You wanted to even breathe the word democracy there? Say hello the meat grinders, and pray he's in a good mood so you won't go in feet first. Entire families were kidnapped overnight there.

Hey guess what, there are dozens of equally evil regiemes all around the world comitting atrocities all the time. Are you calling for your government to invade all of those countries and enforce a western style democracy? Do you even know the places I'm talking about? Have you been calling for Saddam to be deposed since Gulf War I or did it suddenly seem like a great idea since your governemnt said it was?

[o_zsilver_fox]

Really? Your boy Kerry believed it. And we still found illegalized chemical weapons and stuff such as nerve gas and a healthy anthrax deposit.

[o_ekim]

My boy? I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not American and I'm not a democrat. What Kerry believed doesn't mean anything to me.

Let me reiterate though - there were no WMD. The USA was under no threat whatsoever from Iraq.