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o_ambex · 01-23-2006, 01:30 PM

It looks good in archetucure but damn it looks not close in lighting!

Please work harder on lighting it's the most important in a map.

o_tennovan · 01-23-2006, 01:56 PM

I'm sure Stino knows this Ambex. We're not all noobs to mapping.

o_stino · 01-23-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tennovan

I'm sure Stino knows this Ambex. We're not all noobs to mapping.

those screens are old, from the time before hdr :d, no with hdr its really possible to do, but the file size is huge, really huge. (150 MB) !!!!!! 9 at the 10 times, hl2 wont even get launched

o_kam · 01-23-2006, 03:19 PM

150mb WTF?

o_player · 01-23-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kam

150mb WTF?

o_darknight · 01-23-2006, 04:05 PM

Uhh, lol!

o_ginger lord · 01-23-2006, 04:39 PM

I fail to see how it can be 150mb.

**mervaka** · 01-23-2006, 05:28 PM

all the errors from winbspc

o_stino · 01-23-2006, 06:30 PM

winbspc ? how can i decompile a map that is full of displacements (the map is larger than badlands (wich is already 43 Mb without hdr) and if i compile with hdr, try to calculate, the most of the filesize is caused by vrad. now multiply that with 9 (sometimes more) for hdr ... and with those floodlights that ar destroyable: more lightmaps (1 for every floodlight) ...

**mervaka** · 01-23-2006, 06:38 PM

just pulling yer leg mate

no offense intended

o_stino · 01-23-2006, 06:42 PM

?? damd, i really want to learn 3dsmax, getting a little to bored of hammer, it keeps crashing/ laggin (more than before)

o_buckshot enema[x7] · 01-24-2006, 02:55 PM

To be honest, this map feels like its stuck somewhere between HL1 and HL2. I mean, you have some nice looking shots, but there's way too much symettry going on in the corridors (and damn, they're long), and the outside parts of the bases aren't as impressive as I'd hope to see with a Source map. Maybe you'll add some larger parts of the bases with a 3D skybox, but I feel like there's not a lot that's making me go "wow!" right now.

So, here are a few things I would work on if this were my map:

1. Get away from the ubiquitous long corridors. No one likes feeling like cattle running down a chute... games are fun because they give players choices. If the only choices they have are go forward or go back, that get's pretty boring.

2. Work on lighting variety. So far this map seems to rely solely on pale yellow light.

3. Improve the rockwork outside. The jagged rocks you have in the field itself look decent, but the actual boundaries of the map seem rather flat on top. Add layered cliffs, add more interesting variation. Look at the newly released cs_militia for how they did the cliffs.

4. Open up the map a bit. TFC's gameplay thrived on large spaces (for concing, rjing, sentry guns, everything really). There doesn't seem to be any room for these things in this map. I'd like to see some large, asymmetrical areas, both inside the base and out. I'd also like to see some more height variation. Make concing a challenge for scouts and medics.

Anyway -- that's my opinion. I feel like maps don't improve when everyone goes "Oh my god, this map is sexy!" So hopefully you can find some use for this.

o_eat · 01-24-2006, 03:59 PM

I agree with buckshot. It looks as though you have made some architecture and then made the base layout to fit the architecture. It should be the other way round.

The rocks that are props also stand out too much from the displacements. Try to make the disps more similar to the props.

o_luminous · 01-28-2006, 12:50 PM

the map looks great

high quality there

dont know if its been said before, but would guess its possible, any chance for some mist above the water? would look quite cool imo

o_fragile · 01-28-2006, 05:31 PM

if theres gonna be sharking in ff, it would be fun as hell to shark down the water in the long hallways

o_geokill-----> · 01-29-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fragile

if theres gonna be sharking in ff, it would be fun as hell to shark down the water in the long hallways

FF will have Sharking

o_racer · 02-20-2006, 02:20 AM

Looks great Stino- so you have 2 maps that looks promising still planned?
Underground and Badlands? I loved your first version of Badlands it was so BF2 like, err realistic.

This is just my 2cents but one of the things I loved about HL2 was the details like trees and grass growing up thru cracks in the sidewalk, sound files and decals on the walls etc. I know in TFC details killed FPS and that was more important than looks.
So I love your touches like the Cable wiring on the roof to the lights and the dead tree outside. Add some decals and maybe dare I say furniture in a few selected spots?
OK so I know TFC Purists will cry foul over furniture but but anything you end up using as finishing touchs so each hallway/room in a map looks somehow different from all the others would be awesome.

o_stino · 02-20-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Looks great Stino- so you have 2 maps that looks promising still planned?
Underground and Badlands? I loved your first version of Badlands it was so BF2 like, err realistic.

This is just my 2cents but one of the things I loved about HL2 was the details like trees and grass growing up thru cracks in the sidewalk, sound files and decals on the walls etc. I know in TFC details killed FPS and that was more important than looks.
So I love your touches like the Cable wiring on the roof to the lights and the dead tree outside. Add some decals and maybe dare I say furniture in a few selected spots?
OK so I know TFC Purists will cry foul over furniture but but anything you end up using as finishing touchs so each hallway/room in a map looks somehow different from all the others would be awesome.

i've just tested ff_badlands beta release and i've got 200 FPs!!!

o_stino · 05-01-2006, 10:13 AM

hmm, if i could make textures so the interrrior whould look like this, i think that it will be much better then the tunnels like they are now :d

o_rifle · 05-02-2006, 03:10 PM

good map

01-23-2006, 01:30 PM	#61
o_ambex Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It looks good in archetucure but damn it looks not close in lighting! Please work harder on lighting it's the most important in a map.

01-23-2006, 01:56 PM	#62
o_tennovan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm sure Stino knows this Ambex. We're not all noobs to mapping.

01-23-2006, 03:19 PM	#64
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	150mb WTF?

01-23-2006, 04:05 PM	#66
o_darknight Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Uhh, lol!

01-23-2006, 04:39 PM	#67
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I fail to see how it can be 150mb.

01-23-2006, 05:28 PM	#68
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	all the errors from winbspc

01-23-2006, 06:30 PM	#69
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	winbspc ? how can i decompile a map that is full of displacements (the map is larger than badlands (wich is already 43 Mb without hdr) and if i compile with hdr, try to calculate, the most of the filesize is caused by vrad. now multiply that with 9 (sometimes more) for hdr ... and with those floodlights that ar destroyable: more lightmaps (1 for every floodlight) ...

01-23-2006, 06:38 PM	#70
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	just pulling yer leg mate no offense intended

01-23-2006, 06:42 PM	#71
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	?? damd, i really want to learn 3dsmax, getting a little to bored of hammer, it keeps crashing/ laggin (more than before)

01-24-2006, 02:55 PM	#72
o_buckshot enema[x7] Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: United States Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	To be honest, this map feels like its stuck somewhere between HL1 and HL2. I mean, you have some nice looking shots, but there's way too much symettry going on in the corridors (and damn, they're long), and the outside parts of the bases aren't as impressive as I'd hope to see with a Source map. Maybe you'll add some larger parts of the bases with a 3D skybox, but I feel like there's not a lot that's making me go "wow!" right now. So, here are a few things I would work on if this were my map: 1. Get away from the ubiquitous long corridors. No one likes feeling like cattle running down a chute... games are fun because they give players choices. If the only choices they have are go forward or go back, that get's pretty boring. 2. Work on lighting variety. So far this map seems to rely solely on pale yellow light. 3. Improve the rockwork outside. The jagged rocks you have in the field itself look decent, but the actual boundaries of the map seem rather flat on top. Add layered cliffs, add more interesting variation. Look at the newly released cs_militia for how they did the cliffs. 4. Open up the map a bit. TFC's gameplay thrived on large spaces (for concing, rjing, sentry guns, everything really). There doesn't seem to be any room for these things in this map. I'd like to see some large, asymmetrical areas, both inside the base and out. I'd also like to see some more height variation. Make concing a challenge for scouts and medics. Anyway -- that's my opinion. I feel like maps don't improve when everyone goes "Oh my god, this map is sexy!" So hopefully you can find some use for this.

01-24-2006, 03:59 PM	#73
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I agree with buckshot. It looks as though you have made some architecture and then made the base layout to fit the architecture. It should be the other way round. The rocks that are props also stand out too much from the displacements. Try to make the disps more similar to the props.

01-28-2006, 12:50 PM	#74
o_luminous Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	the map looks great high quality there dont know if its been said before, but would guess its possible, any chance for some mist above the water? would look quite cool imo

01-28-2006, 05:31 PM	#75
o_fragile Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	if theres gonna be sharking in ff, it would be fun as hell to shark down the water in the long hallways

02-20-2006, 02:20 AM	#77
o_racer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looks great Stino- so you have 2 maps that looks promising still planned? Underground and Badlands? I loved your first version of Badlands it was so BF2 like, err realistic. This is just my 2cents but one of the things I loved about HL2 was the details like trees and grass growing up thru cracks in the sidewalk, sound files and decals on the walls etc. I know in TFC details killed FPS and that was more important than looks. So I love your touches like the Cable wiring on the roof to the lights and the dead tree outside. Add some decals and maybe dare I say furniture in a few selected spots? OK so I know TFC Purists will cry foul over furniture but but anything you end up using as finishing touchs so each hallway/room in a map looks somehow different from all the others would be awesome.

05-01-2006, 10:13 AM	#79
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hmm, if i could make textures so the interrrior whould look like this, i think that it will be much better then the tunnels like they are now :d

05-02-2006, 03:10 PM	#80
o_rifle Join Date: May 2006 Location: could you give me directions Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	good map

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