Whats your view about grenades in fortress games? - Page 4

Paft · 05-19-2007, 10:23 PM

Then you aren't the person I assumed you were. Even though you have identical names, even capitalized letters. cOmPaCt.

05-19-2007, 10:39 PM

who is this other imposter i demand to know!

tu! · 05-19-2007, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cOmPaCt

no i was asking what you meant by changing my quote to "cheating" instead of "elite"

i wasn't saying you were I just felt like saying that bunnyhop is cheating

i am confused. is this guy saying bhopping is cheating? whats going on here?!?

Paft · 05-19-2007, 11:29 PM

Some could call it that. But lets not get into that.

Dospac · 05-19-2007, 11:47 PM

lol.. Hi compact :P

unf · 05-20-2007, 12:16 AM

Wow there are a lot of retards in here.

Johnny Mullet · 05-20-2007, 12:26 AM

So after drinking 15 beers and reading all of this thread over, I have come to the conclusion that tu! is the same guy who posts about "Bunny-hopping", "Grenades", "Spammers", "Rocket-Jumping", and every other related issue on EVERY forum from Q3F, TFC, ETF, and he now stalks us on FF and all the latest TF2 boards.

Seriously, you remove the grenades, then you have to change the balance of every class and every weapon to make this a legitimate "Fortress" game.

Think about all the players who downloaded ETF only to have their asses handed to them with multiple aspects of the game like the above mentioned. Now if you make a unique "Fortress" game that any noob can play whether it be PC or Console, then you might have a very popular game.

It might not be popular for some of us, but think about this generation of gamers growing up today

tu! · 05-20-2007, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet

long post

i wouldn't touch anything q3f/etf...straight line bhop...no thanks. q3f/etf = crap.

n3m · 05-20-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cOmPaCt

no i was asking what you meant by changing my quote to "cheating" instead of "elite"

i wasn't saying you were I just felt like saying that bunnyhop is cheating

Cheating?? ROFL

Seriously please elaborate on how bhoping is cheating I would love to hear your views on that. Come on I want a serious answer to this because it's going to be hilarious!!

IvaQuaL · 05-20-2007, 04:36 PM

It's quite simple actually, before it was intentionally coded in and implemented officially in Fortress games such as FF, bunnyhopping was an exploit (use of a bug of the engine) that gave unfair advantage to people who used it, just as people skywalk in CS (exploiting a bug of the map), etc..

It's the same thing with rocket jumping.

Etc..

The fact there still is a lot of disagreement about this is that in TFC there was never a moment where Valve said "ok there is this new thing now that is called bunnyhopping, here's how to do it. it's official now. do it.". It remained a bug that they merely limited by capping, so as to not make people who liked to use it discontent and try to calm people who took it as cheating and were tired of seeing people racing past them without being able to do anything which didn't involve exploiting a bug (technically, cheating) too.

There's no need to be close minded on either side of the fence, the fact is that it is an exploit that was considered fun and functional, so people picked it up and it slowly progressed into the realm of feature. In TFC not everyone agreed with this and you have some servers with anti bhop plugins. More power to them.

A problem now is that some people probably won't accept that FF officially implemented bunnyhopping as a feature, and there will surely be some servers with anti bhop plugins. As much as this is understandable this will only confuse new players, but there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

own3r · 05-20-2007, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvaQuaL

It's quite simple actually, before it was intentionally coded in and implemented officially in Fortress games such as FF, bunnyhopping was an exploit (use of a bug of the engine) that gave unfair advantage to people who used it, just as people skywalk in CS (exploiting a bug of the map), etc..

It's the same thing with rocket jumping.

Etc..

The fact there still is a lot of disagreement about this is that in TFC there was never a moment where Valve said "ok there is this new thing now that is called bunnyhopping, here's how to do it. it's official now. do it.". It remained a bug that they merely limited by capping, so as to not make people who liked to use it discontent and try to calm people who took it as cheating and were tired of seeing people racing past them without being able to do anything which didn't involve exploiting a bug (technically, cheating) too.

There's no need to be close minded on either side of the fence, the fact is that it is an exploit that was considered fun and functional, so people picked it up and it slowly progressed into the realm of feature. In TFC not everyone agreed with this and you have some servers with anti bhop plugins. More power to them.

A problem now is that some people probably won't accept that FF officially implemented bunnyhopping as a feature, and there will surely be some servers with anti bhop plugins. As much as this is understandable this will only confuse new players, but there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

Well bunny hopping could be listed as a feature of the mod upon release or in an "about" page so they won't have any excuse

Beetle · 05-20-2007, 05:17 PM

hey, scuzzy, you allowing bhopping in FF? (even tho this is incredibly off-topic)?

nex nicholai · 05-20-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beetle

hey, scuzzy, you allowing bhopping in FF? (even tho this is incredibly off-topic)?

How did you miss this thread...

http://forums.fortress-forever.com/s...ead.php?t=9138

Beware, there be many dead horses flogged in that thread.

Beetle · 05-20-2007, 05:39 PM

didnt miss the thread, just missed where he said he would. ok nvm thanks

Paft · 05-20-2007, 06:32 PM

IvaQuaL educated you.

Callow people.

darksoul · 05-21-2007, 02:36 AM

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<pafts head here>

Deadly Furby · 05-21-2007, 01:21 PM

Now, let's get back to the serious discussion at hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by own3r

Whats your view about grenades in fortress games?

I think they should be thrown at the enemy

BumGravy · 05-21-2007, 01:48 PM

except when they are rocket-propelled, in which case they should be rocket-propelles directly at the nearest enemies face.

Scuzzy · 05-21-2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beetle

didnt miss the thread, just missed where he said he would. ok nvm thanks

*I* actually don't allow anything, the clan voted on temporarily seeing how it went at the onset of FF, which was Own3r's request. Only about 30 voted, but there were no "Don't allow" votes, so it'll be given a good chance. We'll see how it's received by the [o-t] community and the clan, if it works out it'll remain open. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.

It's kinda funny how we've had an influx of Bhoppers lately that are just trying to get banned, it's a shame they'll miss out when FF is released.

Scuzzy

Beetle · 05-21-2007, 03:32 PM

Well, I at least like the fact that the o-t members are talkative. I haven't been in an o-t server but a couple of times, but I just hate those people that never say anything and are just mindlessly into the game.

05-19-2007, 10:23 PM	#61
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Then you aren't the person I assumed you were. Even though you have identical names, even capitalized letters. cOmPaCt.

05-19-2007, 10:39 PM	#62
cOmPaCt Guest Posts Rated Helpful 7 Times	who is this other imposter i demand to know!

05-19-2007, 11:29 PM	#64
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Some could call it that. But lets not get into that.

05-19-2007, 11:47 PM	#65
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	lol.. Hi compact :P

05-20-2007, 12:16 AM	#66
unf TFC since 99' Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas, Plano Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Wow there are a lot of retards in here.

05-20-2007, 12:26 AM	#67
Johnny Mullet Fear the Mullet! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	So after drinking 15 beers and reading all of this thread over, I have come to the conclusion that tu! is the same guy who posts about "Bunny-hopping", "Grenades", "Spammers", "Rocket-Jumping", and every other related issue on EVERY forum from Q3F, TFC, ETF, and he now stalks us on FF and all the latest TF2 boards. Seriously, you remove the grenades, then you have to change the balance of every class and every weapon to make this a legitimate "Fortress" game. Think about all the players who downloaded ETF only to have their asses handed to them with multiple aspects of the game like the above mentioned. Now if you make a unique "Fortress" game that any noob can play whether it be PC or Console, then you might have a very popular game. It might not be popular for some of us, but think about this generation of gamers growing up today

05-20-2007, 04:36 PM	#70
IvaQuaL Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's quite simple actually, before it was intentionally coded in and implemented officially in Fortress games such as FF, bunnyhopping was an exploit (use of a bug of the engine) that gave unfair advantage to people who used it, just as people skywalk in CS (exploiting a bug of the map), etc.. It's the same thing with rocket jumping. Etc.. The fact there still is a lot of disagreement about this is that in TFC there was never a moment where Valve said "ok there is this new thing now that is called bunnyhopping, here's how to do it. it's official now. do it.". It remained a bug that they merely limited by capping, so as to not make people who liked to use it discontent and try to calm people who took it as cheating and were tired of seeing people racing past them without being able to do anything which didn't involve exploiting a bug (technically, cheating) too. There's no need to be close minded on either side of the fence, the fact is that it is an exploit that was considered fun and functional, so people picked it up and it slowly progressed into the realm of feature. In TFC not everyone agreed with this and you have some servers with anti bhop plugins. More power to them. A problem now is that some people probably won't accept that FF officially implemented bunnyhopping as a feature, and there will surely be some servers with anti bhop plugins. As much as this is understandable this will only confuse new players, but there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

05-20-2007, 05:17 PM	#72
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hey, scuzzy, you allowing bhopping in FF? (even tho this is incredibly off-topic)?

05-20-2007, 05:39 PM	#74
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	didnt miss the thread, just missed where he said he would. ok nvm thanks

05-20-2007, 06:32 PM	#75
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	IvaQuaL educated you. Callow people.

05-21-2007, 02:36 AM	#76
darksoul D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	----------------> <pafts head here>

05-21-2007, 01:48 PM	#78
BumGravy Black Cyclops Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	except when they are rocket-propelled, in which case they should be rocket-propelles directly at the nearest enemies face.

05-21-2007, 03:32 PM	#80
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, I at least like the fact that the o-t members are talkative. I haven't been in an o-t server but a couple of times, but I just hate those people that never say anything and are just mindlessly into the game.

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