what would you change about Openfire? - Page 4

o_ohcanep · 06-16-2006, 08:34 PM

Just to make sure, enemies are not meant to be able to use that corridor, if that's what you mean. They're gonna test it, what?

o_sensai · 06-16-2006, 09:07 PM

yeah, if that extra corridor was added, I would only allow the team to use it, and have the opposing team insta-gibbed if they tried to enter.

o_uncle-argon · 06-16-2006, 09:14 PM

Looking at it again, it would really benefit def to have the resup more accessible when holding the flag at the end of the water. Guess that might redress the balance a bit?

o_loader · 06-16-2006, 09:34 PM

By "I am the best at that map" do you meen it's YOUR personal best map, or you are better than everyone else?

o_exr8ed · 06-16-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Player

I find that jump rather pointless so I don't care if it is easier or harder :P

most would think it's pointless until cheese and fainraven do it against you EVERY SINGLE TIME WITHOUT MISSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

o_sensai · 06-16-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle-Argon

Looking at it again, it would really benefit def to have the resup more accessible when holding the flag at the end of the water. Guess that might redress the balance a bit?

by the time its at the end of water, you're probably not going to hold the flag. now i'm really against the tunnel going straight to midmap. it just keeps sounding worse and worse ;\

o_foxtrick · 06-16-2006, 10:21 PM

TFC never really tried what I would call 'mini resuppplys' (if it was even possible heh), like a bag that spawns in a small crevice(sp?) down the tunnel that spawns every 30 secs or something. Then again it's just going to cause problems, its too easy for offy to let off a gren by 'mistake' as they leave the water route and kill the enemy flag carrier. Maybe modify the exit point of the FR resup to one closer to the midmap - ie a rear exit that leads to a battlement turret, thus leaving defence to control the FR and waterway completely and avoiding to much spam with friendly offy getting killed(as we all know heh) or interfereing in enemy offy.

o_alligator · 06-16-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tercel

is that the reason?

i thought it was because of your wallhacks/aimbot/anticonc/bhop.dll

then again its probably just because you're so damn good

imo ofire layout is fine

my god i loss count on how many times you lost to me
oh and, there is no such thing as a bhop.dll - in opengl mode, opengl32.dll are only allowed. I bless you with my hand

Circuitous · 06-16-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxtrick

TFC never really tried what I would call 'mini resuppplys' (if it was even possible heh), like a bag that spawns in a small crevice(sp?) down the tunnel that spawns every 30 secs or something.

Tons of TFC maps have these, what're you talking about?

o_afx · 06-17-2006, 09:18 AM

In all honesty im not sure i'd change it at all, Not that Openfire for tfc is perfectly balanced, but it is the most popular map in clan games, and who's to say how it will play in FF anyway. Redesigning it with tfc's problems in mind wont neccessarily be whats needed.

o_ekim · 06-17-2006, 12:35 PM

Firstly, I love the theme you're going with from what we've seen so far. Keep at it. Could be slightly brighter, sure.

Please let the player clip through anything that stick out of a wall or celing. So any light fixtures or whatever, they shouldn't block a player. The girders in the screenshot we've seen, it'd be nice if you could clip through those. I can't see quite in the screenshot but it looks like the water tunnel has a flat roof - this is great. It was incredibly annoying to hit the "wall brackets" mid conc in TFC.

It looks like the pit is a bit wider in the screenshot than it was in TFC. Maybe this is just the perspective though. In TFC it was possible to jump from one side of the pit to the other by landing on the "sloped bits" near the balc/spawn side. It'd be cool if you kept some sort of ledge or protrusion or something that could be jumped across with a little effort. Partly so offence can avoid the water if flag is there, partly because it was just a cool move to use.

I'm not sure about the offence exit idea but I think it could work. One idea I thought could be cool was if the offy exit had a push entity that pushed you along a tunnel and you came shooting out above the main water exit with enough force to curve onto the ground and keep hopping into the base. Or maybe it just pushes you to there (above water) then you can jump out over to where the ladder comes up to.

I assume that since you're keeping the layout similar there will still be two respawns. This introduces a fair bit of luck in clan matches if the flag room needs a defender right away then it can be a coinflip with where he spawns whether a flag gets capped or not. This isn't a good thing. So maybe there could be a teleporter between the two spawns (like on mulch trench). This also means if the flag is in water and getting spammed then the offence can go out balcony more easily instead.

The corridor from front door to button would be better if it didn't have that weird roof that is quite low then suddenly curves up. I'm not sure what to do with that though.

Respawn rooms are annoying with the different bags and so on. Just simplify it so you pick up one bag or walk over something to get fully restocked health/armor/ammo.

No gren bags.

o_own3r · 06-17-2006, 11:03 PM

Could the walkway on the right of this picture be made wider, so that it would make a better sg position for defence.

o_tercel · 06-18-2006, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alligator

my god i loss count on how many times you lost to me
oh and, there is no such thing as a bhop.dll - in opengl mode, opengl32.dll are only allowed. I bless you with my hand

thankfully your experience with hacking will enlighten us all so hopefully one day we can all strive to be the biggest homosexual internet character possible

o_player · 06-18-2006, 09:48 AM

What things can you do with the LUA? If you can decide which classes spawn where, then all you have to do to prevent offence from spawning at the water route is to make all offence-type classes to spawn at the battlements spawn. Simple as that.

And Tercel, quit annoying the hacker, it has forced one thread to be locked in the past; we don't want this one to be locked too.

o_loader · 06-18-2006, 10:47 AM

OWn3r, I've played TFC for a few years and not once have I seen an SG there.

**mervaka** · 06-18-2006, 11:13 AM

wouldn't do shit there. by the time the SG has locked on, the target will have already passed.

o_player · 06-18-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chouPi

We are bored of dark's maps...

I like dark maps; At the moment, however, Openfire needs some more lights around the place, especially more ambient lighting because it looks desaturated of colour.

o_afx · 06-18-2006, 12:08 PM

One thing i will say, i dont like those little metal framework support things, It'd probably look better if you just did away with them all together.

o_balls · 06-26-2006, 04:47 AM

i think what i would do is keep it as close to the original as posible. I would swap the ladder in the water exit to an air lift too.

o_norris · 06-26-2006, 08:00 AM

airlift???!?! seriously airlifts are the most frustrating thing in tfc to me. I always have badluck getting up on alchimy, stow2 or destroy...

Btw the idea to link balcony and Respawn (water) area seams to be not bad at all but it's going to be useless for an defense engi to set up a sentry gun near the lasers. maybe try this solution:

you could even strafejump on top of the ladder. doesn't need that much of time imo

06-18-2006, 11:13 AM	#76
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	wouldn't do shit there. by the time the SG has locked on, the target will have already passed. __________________ Support FF:

06-16-2006, 08:34 PM	#61
o_ohcanep Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Just to make sure, enemies are not meant to be able to use that corridor, if that's what you mean. They're gonna test it, what?

06-16-2006, 09:07 PM	#62
o_sensai Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeah, if that extra corridor was added, I would only allow the team to use it, and have the opposing team insta-gibbed if they tried to enter.

06-16-2006, 09:14 PM	#63
o_uncle-argon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looking at it again, it would really benefit def to have the resup more accessible when holding the flag at the end of the water. Guess that might redress the balance a bit?

06-16-2006, 09:34 PM	#64
o_loader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	By "I am the best at that map" do you meen it's YOUR personal best map, or you are better than everyone else?

06-16-2006, 10:21 PM	#67
o_foxtrick Join Date: May 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TFC never really tried what I would call 'mini resuppplys' (if it was even possible heh), like a bag that spawns in a small crevice(sp?) down the tunnel that spawns every 30 secs or something. Then again it's just going to cause problems, its too easy for offy to let off a gren by 'mistake' as they leave the water route and kill the enemy flag carrier. Maybe modify the exit point of the FR resup to one closer to the midmap - ie a rear exit that leads to a battlement turret, thus leaving defence to control the FR and waterway completely and avoiding to much spam with friendly offy getting killed(as we all know heh) or interfereing in enemy offy.

06-17-2006, 09:18 AM	#70
o_afx Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Walsall,UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	In all honesty im not sure i'd change it at all, Not that Openfire for tfc is perfectly balanced, but it is the most popular map in clan games, and who's to say how it will play in FF anyway. Redesigning it with tfc's problems in mind wont neccessarily be whats needed.

06-17-2006, 12:35 PM	#71
o_ekim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Firstly, I love the theme you're going with from what we've seen so far. Keep at it. Could be slightly brighter, sure. Please let the player clip through anything that stick out of a wall or celing. So any light fixtures or whatever, they shouldn't block a player. The girders in the screenshot we've seen, it'd be nice if you could clip through those. I can't see quite in the screenshot but it looks like the water tunnel has a flat roof - this is great. It was incredibly annoying to hit the "wall brackets" mid conc in TFC. It looks like the pit is a bit wider in the screenshot than it was in TFC. Maybe this is just the perspective though. In TFC it was possible to jump from one side of the pit to the other by landing on the "sloped bits" near the balc/spawn side. It'd be cool if you kept some sort of ledge or protrusion or something that could be jumped across with a little effort. Partly so offence can avoid the water if flag is there, partly because it was just a cool move to use. I'm not sure about the offence exit idea but I think it could work. One idea I thought could be cool was if the offy exit had a push entity that pushed you along a tunnel and you came shooting out above the main water exit with enough force to curve onto the ground and keep hopping into the base. Or maybe it just pushes you to there (above water) then you can jump out over to where the ladder comes up to. I assume that since you're keeping the layout similar there will still be two respawns. This introduces a fair bit of luck in clan matches if the flag room needs a defender right away then it can be a coinflip with where he spawns whether a flag gets capped or not. This isn't a good thing. So maybe there could be a teleporter between the two spawns (like on mulch trench). This also means if the flag is in water and getting spammed then the offence can go out balcony more easily instead. The corridor from front door to button would be better if it didn't have that weird roof that is quite low then suddenly curves up. I'm not sure what to do with that though. Respawn rooms are annoying with the different bags and so on. Just simplify it so you pick up one bag or walk over something to get fully restocked health/armor/ammo. No gren bags.

06-17-2006, 11:03 PM	#72
o_own3r Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Could the walkway on the right of this picture be made wider, so that it would make a better sg position for defence.

06-18-2006, 09:48 AM	#74
o_player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What things can you do with the LUA? If you can decide which classes spawn where, then all you have to do to prevent offence from spawning at the water route is to make all offence-type classes to spawn at the battlements spawn. Simple as that. And Tercel, quit annoying the hacker, it has forced one thread to be locked in the past; we don't want this one to be locked too.

06-18-2006, 10:47 AM	#75
o_loader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OWn3r, I've played TFC for a few years and not once have I seen an SG there.

06-18-2006, 12:08 PM	#78
o_afx Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Walsall,UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	One thing i will say, i dont like those little metal framework support things, It'd probably look better if you just did away with them all together.

06-26-2006, 04:47 AM	#79
o_balls Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i think what i would do is keep it as close to the original as posible. I would swap the ladder in the water exit to an air lift too.

06-26-2006, 08:00 AM	#80
o_norris Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	airlift???!?! seriously airlifts are the most frustrating thing in tfc to me. I always have badluck getting up on alchimy, stow2 or destroy... Btw the idea to link balcony and Respawn (water) area seams to be not bad at all but it's going to be useless for an defense engi to set up a sentry gun near the lasers. maybe try this solution: you could even strafejump on top of the ladder. doesn't need that much of time imo

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