My only wishes for 2.42 (or 2.5) - Page 4

CaptainAhab · 05-15-2012, 05:56 AM

Aye, emphasizing that the training is the first thing any new player should do...

Maybe some code that has an automatic pop-up window within the game the first time you ever boot it up that demands you go through the training or skip it at your own risk?

XPelargos · 05-22-2012, 12:47 AM

Standardize security buttons.

Do you need to bind +use or not?

Is there any benefit on +using on current buttons over touching?

KubeDawg · 05-22-2012, 01:21 AM

Yes, please standardize security buttons by allowing both +use and actually touching the button to activate it. When touching a button is not possible, if close enough to use +use, you should still be able to press it.

WiFiDi · 05-22-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Yes, please standardize security buttons by allowing both +use and actually touching the button to activate it. When touching a button is not possible, if close enough to use +use, you should still be able to press it.

from the way i see it think making it more like this would be better.

buttons: would be used almost primarily for activating the security. As well as anything that is on a timer.

this creates a standard that everyone knows buttons are for security. its simple and easy for people to grasp just by looking at it.

lever: would be used as an activate/deactivate something until someone comes to deactivate it. for instant I could activate a draw bridge or something that is only activated once like aardvark trap then goes back up. (which i still think is stupid.

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(team color buttons and team color levers would be nice.) not all maps are very friendly in the color code department.

i think this gives each a clear and distinguished job that covers all of the uses for ff buttons. (im tired of seeing them used interchangeably but not always activated in the same manner.) its inconsistent and annoying to figure out.

As you actually have to go test them out to see how they work.

CaptainAhab · 05-22-2012, 06:53 PM

Do you not need to be touching the button to "use" it?

If you don't, I think having all buttons with a use and a touch activation would be splendid.

I know it's a small issue, but it's kind of annoying when some maps have a touch activation and others have only a "use" activation.

CaptainAhab · 05-22-2012, 06:54 PM

And yes, team colors for everything -- grenades, bags, buttons, levers, etc. -- would be a welcome addition.

**Elmo** · 05-22-2012, 07:59 PM

Does pressing use still stop you moving? Is there any perceivable reason at all for that to happen?

aleXtric · 05-22-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

Does pressing use still stop you moving? Is there any perceivable reason at all for that to happen?

no it doesnt

CaptainAhab · 05-22-2012, 10:35 PM

Do you need to be facing directly at the button to use it? Or can you fly by it horizontally, spam your use key, and end up using the button? Sorry if I misinterpreted it, though I do think that making each map either press, each map use, or each map both would be a great idea.

Also Elmo, are you implying that it might be a good idea to simply have the use option rather than either use or smack yourself into it?

korey · 05-22-2012, 10:46 PM

Fix faggot ass soldier nades and hw push. Offence isnt as fun to play. Thanks.

**Elmo** · 05-22-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainAhab

Also Elmo, are you implying that it might be a good idea to simply have the use option rather than either use or smack yourself into it?

No I wasn't and I hate the use button.

CaptainAhab · 05-23-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

No I wasn't and I hate the use button.

Whoops, wrote the opposite of what I meant. Yeah, I hate the use button too.

**Crazycarl** · 05-23-2012, 12:34 AM

You can bind every movement key to +use if you want.

episkopos · 05-23-2012, 09:19 AM

I recall being rather confused by dropdown's button's need for use activation, particularly as there is no indication as to what key you need to press. Practically every other security button is activated by touch. Is there any reason for dropdown's button to be different?

moosh · 05-23-2012, 01:24 PM

are we seriously discussing buttons of all things?

episkopos · 05-23-2012, 02:09 PM

Seemingly very minor things can make or break the overall experience. Anything that increases the player's frustration, even slightly, with no actual benefit to gameplay, should be avoided in my opinion.

WiFiDi · 05-23-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by moosh

are we seriously discussing buttons of all things?

... i tired and remotely i can't say anything that isn't constructive or nice about how wrong that comment is so im just going to put this here.

moosh · 05-24-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WiFiDi

... i tired and remotely i can't say anything that isn't constructive or nice about how wrong that comment is so im just going to put this here.

I mean, we could be discussing how to make every class useful, new maps, new gamemodes, new training modes, fixing bugs, discussing if the direction ff is going in is the right one (not old school enough for the tfc crowd and not casual/appealing enough for the new age fps crowd), updating the wiki... Anything but buttons.

WiFiDi · 05-25-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moosh

I mean, we could be discussing how to make every class useful, new maps, new gamemodes, new training modes, fixing bugs, discussing if the direction ff is going in is the right one (not old school enough for the tfc crowd and not casual/appealing enough for the new age fps crowd), updating the wiki... Anything but buttons.

while I see your point, I still think the little things are also important and in a small way when you add them all up even more important and more importantly easier to achieve than the larger goals which need discussion but so do the little things otherwise they won't get done. if no one talks about a X (glitch, feature, etc...) will it ever get fixed/done/etc...? how else will anyone know about it.

XPelargos · 05-27-2012, 04:38 AM

If you've taken a look at the rest of the thread, I made this thread EXPRESSLY for the little issues. (Viewmodel_fov being a cheat was immediately resolved.)

Balance discussions have their own threads, this is for issues that have little room for caustic arguing.

05-15-2012, 05:56 AM	#61
CaptainAhab D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jan 2012 Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 35 Times	Aye, emphasizing that the training is the first thing any new player should do... Maybe some code that has an automatic pop-up window within the game the first time you ever boot it up that demands you go through the training or skip it at your own risk?
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05-22-2012, 01:21 AM	#63
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Yes, please standardize security buttons by allowing both +use and actually touching the button to activate it. When touching a button is not possible, if close enough to use +use, you should still be able to press it. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete Last edited by KubeDawg; 05-22-2012 at 01:22 AM.

05-22-2012, 07:59 PM	#67
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	Does pressing use still stop you moving? Is there any perceivable reason at all for that to happen? __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

05-22-2012, 10:35 PM	#69
CaptainAhab D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jan 2012 Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 35 Times	Do you need to be facing directly at the button to use it? Or can you fly by it horizontally, spam your use key, and end up using the button? Sorry if I misinterpreted it, though I do think that making each map either press, each map use, or each map both would be a great idea. Also Elmo, are you implying that it might be a good idea to simply have the use option rather than either use or smack yourself into it? Last edited by CaptainAhab; 05-22-2012 at 10:45 PM.

05-22-2012, 10:46 PM	#70
korey Join Date: May 2012 Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: LSD Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Fix faggot ass soldier nades and hw push. Offence isnt as fun to play. Thanks. __________________ http://www.ffpickup.com/?p=search&mo...=&player=korey damn..

05-22-2012, 12:47 AM	#62
XPelargos I like to spam binds Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Class/Position: Scoooooot Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 73 Times	Standardize security buttons. Do you need to bind +use or not? Is there any benefit on +using on current buttons over touching?

05-22-2012, 06:53 PM	#65
CaptainAhab D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jan 2012 Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 35 Times	Do you not need to be touching the button to "use" it? If you don't, I think having all buttons with a use and a touch activation would be splendid. I know it's a small issue, but it's kind of annoying when some maps have a touch activation and others have only a "use" activation.

05-22-2012, 06:54 PM	#66
CaptainAhab D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jan 2012 Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 35 Times	And yes, team colors for everything -- grenades, bags, buttons, levers, etc. -- would be a welcome addition.

05-23-2012, 12:34 AM	#73
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	You can bind every movement key to +use if you want. __________________ Support FF:

05-23-2012, 09:19 AM	#74
episkopos D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jun 2010 Class/Position: anything but Sniper and Spy Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I recall being rather confused by dropdown's button's need for use activation, particularly as there is no indication as to what key you need to press. Practically every other security button is activated by touch. Is there any reason for dropdown's button to be different? Last edited by episkopos; 05-23-2012 at 02:10 PM.

05-23-2012, 01:24 PM	#75
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	are we seriously discussing buttons of all things? __________________ [[ ff_hotfudge - bhop_theonlyone ]] "As the the new year approaches I await for it like an case of explosive fecalomania otherwise know as diareha or the massive shits. I am gripping the sides of the toilet as my stomach produces the first hollow thud out of the anus of the year to come." DarkeN_HellspawN

05-23-2012, 02:09 PM	#76
episkopos D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jun 2010 Class/Position: anything but Sniper and Spy Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Seemingly very minor things can make or break the overall experience. Anything that increases the player's frustration, even slightly, with no actual benefit to gameplay, should be avoided in my opinion.
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05-27-2012, 04:38 AM	#80
XPelargos I like to spam binds Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Class/Position: Scoooooot Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 73 Times	If you've taken a look at the rest of the thread, I made this thread EXPRESSLY for the little issues. (Viewmodel_fov being a cheat was immediately resolved.) Balance discussions have their own threads, this is for issues that have little room for caustic arguing.

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