Hip Hop Music... wtf? - Page 3

Etzell · 06-16-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by v3rtigo

That definately takes the cake...

/me thinks that kind of lyrics should just be banned, it doesn't contribute to anything and it's not really an opinion or anything.

Why are you against freedom of expression?

greenday5494 · 06-16-2008, 07:20 PM

it's not expresion, if you're being sarcastic then ignore me.

seriously that it fucking gross. whoever even THOUGHT of that should be sent to Siberia. For 100 years.

TheWetMule · 06-16-2008, 08:39 PM

Well, that's their whole point, being SHOCKING tbh. Did they, or did they not just get the desired reaction?

Circuitous · 06-16-2008, 09:24 PM

When you listen to it you don't even know what he's saying anyway. Those lyrics could be made-up.

FrenchToast · 06-16-2008, 10:18 PM

Yeah I used to all-out hate all rap/hip-hop, but then I found the stuff that i kind of like.... which would be:

Bushwalla, Damian Marley, Falco, G. Love, Gnarls Barkley, Gorillaz, Immortal Technique, KRS-One, RAWSteady, Ozomatli, Promoe, Saigon, Slightly Stoopid, 311, etc.

pF · 06-17-2008, 01:49 AM

Yeah, forgot Promoe in my list. Rawk. So does looptroop.

Etzell · 06-17-2008, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenday5494

it's not expresion, if you're being sarcastic then ignore me.

seriously that it fucking gross. whoever even THOUGHT of that should be sent to Siberia. For 100 years.

What does someone saying that hurt you? It's just a few words. If you don't want to listen to it, don't, but don't forbid someone's right to say it.

greenday5494 · 06-17-2008, 02:48 AM

i think it crosses the line of freedom of expression, into outright verbal multilation. BTW, i'm talking about the one zsilver_fox posted. not lollipop

Circuitous · 06-17-2008, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenday5494

i think it crosses the line of freedom of expression, into outright verbal multilation. BTW, i'm talking about the one zsilver_fox posted. not lollipop

So what?

greenday5494 · 06-17-2008, 04:27 AM

you enjoy listening to that shit?

Etzell · 06-17-2008, 05:34 AM

No one's making you listen to it. That's the thing. Kind of like when people bitch about what's on TV while there's a remote an inch from their fingers. If you don't want to hear it, you don't have to. But don't say that no one's allowed to hear it because you don't want to, that's incredibly selfish of you.

Demasu · 06-17-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

you enjoy listening to that shit?

You do know that there's quite a difference between speaking or singing those words than actually carrying out the actions they depict, don't you?

Etzell · 06-17-2008, 07:56 AM

Relevant.

TheWetMule · 06-17-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

you enjoy listening to that shit?

I do.

Also, circ after listening to that genre for quite a while you start to understand what they're screaming tbh, it may be one or two words at a time but it'll get there eventually :F

v3rtigo · 06-17-2008, 11:18 AM

I don't think this would qualify as freedom of expression. They are just depicting disgusting, twisted scenarios for the sake of shocking people. I know, that's a form of expression too (in a way), but I doubt they have a good reason for it other than wanting attention, so IMO they went too far. Where to draw the line is personal, but the way I see it, freedom is often abused and I would like to think this one of these cases. It certainly doesn't contribute to anything.

ekiM · 06-17-2008, 02:22 PM

I am the arbiter of what is and what is not an acceptable form of expression.

Player · 06-17-2008, 05:45 PM

i love RACISM MUSIC!

zSilver_Fox · 06-17-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v3rtigo

I don't think this would qualify as freedom of expression. They are just depicting disgusting, twisted scenarios for the sake of shocking people. I know, that's a form of expression too (in a way), but I doubt they have a good reason for it other than wanting attention, so IMO they went too far. Where to draw the line is personal, but the way I see it, freedom is often abused and I would like to think this one of these cases. It certainly doesn't contribute to anything.

If they wanted attention, they wouldn't be as underground as they are. Their goal was to shock people with the sickest death metal ever created. Greenday supporting the band his name is based off of gives a good idea of the music he likes. That's part of the goal. If it offends you, too bad. Suck it up and learn to differentiate music from reality. For example, the blond haired guy in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MH4P2WudnY Is actually a great friendly guy, as displayed by this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ngfv_5y3o To be honest, my sadistic asshole side is quite happy you're upset. It's funny

.

If you think that takes no skill, try singing like that. Seriously. I don't mean making some grunts and laughing with your yuppie friends. The guttural vocals Devourment showcases are extremely hard to pull off. The drums... they speak for themselves. The guitars, try playing those riffs consistently. As Atticus Finch said: "Wear the other person's shoes."

If you don't like the music, good for you. I realize the irony of my criticizing other people and bands, but when you compare people who rap about how "I banged his hoe, he banged mine, so I popped a cap in his ass," and sell it to suburban white kids, you're doing nothing but profiteering off of bullshit. Underground death metal bands like Devourment are faaaar from profiteers. The band hardly stayed together because there was little money in it.

Etzell · 06-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v3rtigo

I don't think this would qualify as freedom of expression. They are just depicting disgusting, twisted scenarios for the sake of shocking people. I know, that's a form of expression too (in a way), but I doubt they have a good reason for it other than wanting attention, so IMO they went too far. Where to draw the line is personal, but the way I see it, freedom is often abused and I would like to think this one of these cases. It certainly doesn't contribute to anything.

Why does it have to contribute to be acceptable expression? Meet The Spartans and other shit movies like that don't contribute anything. Am I asking for them to be banned? No, I just don't go to see them. Same basic concept.

greenday5494 · 06-17-2008, 07:52 PM

meet the spartans didnt overly offend and depict explictily disgusting actions. although that movie was fucking retarded.

06-16-2008, 07:20 PM	#42
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	it's not expresion, if you're being sarcastic then ignore me. seriously that it fucking gross. whoever even THOUGHT of that should be sent to Siberia. For 100 years. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

06-16-2008, 09:24 PM	#44
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	When you listen to it you don't even know what he's saying anyway. Those lyrics could be made-up. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

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06-17-2008, 02:48 AM	#48
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i think it crosses the line of freedom of expression, into outright verbal multilation. BTW, i'm talking about the one zsilver_fox posted. not lollipop __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

06-16-2008, 08:39 PM	#43
TheWetMule Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England, Midlands Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, that's their whole point, being SHOCKING tbh. Did they, or did they not just get the desired reaction?

06-17-2008, 04:27 AM	#50
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	you enjoy listening to that shit? __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

06-17-2008, 05:34 AM	#51
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	No one's making you listen to it. That's the thing. Kind of like when people bitch about what's on TV while there's a remote an inch from their fingers. If you don't want to hear it, you don't have to. But don't say that no one's allowed to hear it because you don't want to, that's incredibly selfish of you.

06-17-2008, 07:56 AM	#53
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Relevant.

06-17-2008, 11:18 AM	#55
v3rtigo Lock 'n Loll! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 2fort Class/Position: Scout, Spy, Sniper Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I don't think this would qualify as freedom of expression. They are just depicting disgusting, twisted scenarios for the sake of shocking people. I know, that's a form of expression too (in a way), but I doubt they have a good reason for it other than wanting attention, so IMO they went too far. Where to draw the line is personal, but the way I see it, freedom is often abused and I would like to think this one of these cases. It certainly doesn't contribute to anything.

06-17-2008, 02:22 PM	#56
ekiM Arrogance is Bliss Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	I am the arbiter of what is and what is not an acceptable form of expression.

06-17-2008, 05:45 PM	#57
Player D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i love RACISM MUSIC!

06-17-2008, 07:52 PM	#60
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	meet the spartans didnt overly offend and depict explictily disgusting actions. although that movie was fucking retarded. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

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