Hacking Accusation - Page 3

Bridget · 09-05-2009, 04:37 AM

Get fucking real; In the video, he immediately starts back trekking when the conc goes off, because he knows the Medic is coming in off a concussion grenade and he has to compensate for the advance. He never sees the Medic, considering walking back shields the concing Medic behind the tunnel ceiling, yet right as the Medic starts taking gravity, he's firing shots at him.

(Also, how does he know where the Medic is falling? He never sees the Medic concing toward his position, and yet he lands a rocket right under the Medic's feet as he falls. From his position, he hears a concussion grenade go off, and that's it. He should be oblivious to the Medic. There are no sounds that play as you're gliding through the fucking air that I know of. Yet, he backs up and "predicts" it perfectly. Get real, again.)

MAYBE IT'S JUST SOUND?

Uh, no, dumb fucks. Did you not read my post? He would still have to concern if those sounds are from an enemy or his team mate. Sure, in this example it makes some sense, because you're not going to have your own Medics concing around in your base. However, did you even watch the demo? In the demo, the Medics and Scouts don't conc inside the base at upper spawn room to spiral because it's so tight in there, it'd be pointless. So, the Medics and Scouts bhopped, ran, or walked around the corner. If he can hear their sound, then yes, he knows they're coming, but how does he know if it's a team mate or an enemy? There are no specific walk sounds for specific teams; they're universal. The answer is: You wouldn't be able to tell if the player coming around the corner was friend or foe.. SO..

HOW THE FUCK DOES HE KNOW? He not once fires on his team mates coming around the corner, but he always manages to meet the enemy BEFORE he rounds the corner with a nade or a rocket. To me, this is proof that he's wall hacking, regardless of his 'sounds'. In the rare case he isn't wallhacking, it's only obvious his sounds are giving him an unfair advantage equal to wallhacking. Download the real sounds and play like everyone else, scrub. Until then, I don't think anyone wants to hear your pleas for acceptance or reassurance. Good players can pick out vital sounds in the 'sound spam'. You're not making yourself good or better for stripping your game of sounds, you're perpeutating failure and placebo. Enjoy your handicap.

PsychoLogical · 09-05-2009, 04:48 AM

OLD TIMERS ruined FORTRESS FOREVER Last edited by Bridget; Today at 03:41 AM.

who are you?
ive never pld with/against or whatever your NICK

your words sounding kinda public to me Oo

Location: U.S.Awesome
Class/Position: Medic/Scout
Gametype: AVD

defence scout for sure!
oh sry defence Medic?

sry, Bridged be happy that you killed with Oldtimers FF - but i give a fuck what newbies like you say so long they have no clue about that they talk to me!

PartialSchism · 09-05-2009, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceleper

i know he doesn't hack

i was sat behind him as he was playing

Bridget · 09-05-2009, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsychoLogical

...

Raged, obviously mad someone's calling him out on his bullshit.

wakka · 09-05-2009, 05:51 AM

im actually loving making these...

YouTube

Bridget · 09-05-2009, 06:43 AM

@1:20 Lmfao blatant wallhacks. Sold.

**squeek.** · 09-05-2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakka

im actually loving making these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJkuQVVQ1Q

The first one can be explained by the jump pad build noise... but that last one he reacts before the doors open, so the noise of the doors can't explain it (maybe jump sounds could though? I don't know).

Bridget · 09-05-2009, 09:41 AM

It's cheating regardless of whether or not he wallhacks, because it's obviously giving him an unfair advantage.

sd3mon · 09-05-2009, 11:26 AM

Thats exactly my opinion zelenjava !!!!!!!!

sd3mon

Sidd · 09-05-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakka

im actually loving making these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJkuQVVQ1Q

1. Jumppad build noise, standard place to build it.
2. 20ms reaction time isn't remarkable.
3. He sees the medic up the top

zelenjava · 09-05-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakka

im actually loving making these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJkuQVVQ1Q

I really dont see anything unusual in this.. those scout jump pads being built can be heard from miles away :P. The reactions look normal... really.. i Cant see anything unusual in this, i would have heard everything.

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Originally Posted by PsychoLogical

zelenjava eax dont works with sourceengine
but that virtual surrounding is not that bad what creative offers driver related.
for my opionion at ql its way more easy to track enemys (jump/shot/prediction/luckshots/weaponchange) then in FF at Fortress Forever you have way less sounds that give you that advantage...

back to you zelenjava eax dont works source x-fi/asus soundchips are only like alot things software supported at sourceengine one of the big mistakes they did in the past... but (my Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium pro) also when the xram and xfi chip is not supported on sourceengine its sounds alot better for my opinion then rltek onboardchips...

I'm not really sure what you are saying. I was meaning to say driver side tweaks such as CMSS-3D which works very well on FF.

yfni · 09-05-2009, 01:41 PM

Although I have nothing against him personally and I totally accept that people are able to predict/shoot better than me ... I've seen his demos, I used his sounds. And I would have liked it to be another outcome but I find him to be guilty.

How come he hardly makes any wrong prediction shots? Prediction isn't just about shooting at the right time but also about shooting at the right place. He's just too precise in those shots and in some cases blatently obvious.

I would also like to add that he showed links of FF cheats to his clan members a few weeks ago. (by itself not interesting but in context)

I respect those that fear a precedent might be created where good players are wrongfully accused of cheating. And many people are indeed not capable of detemining if someones cheating. But I'd hate to see him walk and play on because of indicision.

Current state of the matter in euro ff.pickup is: He's been let back in. Some claim the trial is still on going. But it's likely this will not change. So if you have an opinion please share it...

Mikael_hs · 09-05-2009, 02:41 PM

Can the server just install some proper anti-cheat shit? I cba looking through demos trying to find more evidence altough it looks pretty dodgy to me (2fort was not conclusive whatsoever though). There were many suspicious things in the baked demo but also some that perhaps should be different if hes w-hacking:
There was one instant of the rampsol going down, and the medic was hiding (presumably priming a conc) in that little space just left of entrance to fr (right from attackers point of view)... Teka rocketed himself up there (raum said "incomming MEDICS") but did not fire at that little place until he landed and the medic ran out in front of him. If I had whacked id just shot that place from the air... However Im not sure if he had any more rockets frankly.

EDIT: upon just watching it a second time (first I was 100% convinced of hax) I also noticed one thing in particular which seems at odds with wallhacking. on tick 25000, Tekas shooting rocket after rocket at rampsols pos (one medic killed raum but got killed himself), when actually the entire blue team is in their own base. I don't know how far you can see with whack, but given that he couldve seen to raum's pos (ramp), he shouldve known nothing was there.

However I still think there's much more pointing towards wallhack than against it; I also think teka can be a real idiot at times, but I don't really WANT to believe hes hacking (due to small community I guess). Therefore im not really a good judge on this... See for yourselves and make up your minds (also I'm shit at telling whos haxing or not; I could barely make out Titan was lol)

spaceleper · 09-05-2009, 04:41 PM

Bridget, with all due respect, which is pretty much zero, you are an absolute no skill nub.

spaceleper · 09-05-2009, 04:45 PM

OK.

having watched that avi i'm now MORE sure that teka doesn't cheat.

Mikael_hs · 09-05-2009, 05:00 PM

spaceleper please stop the "no skill nub" shit. He has every right to say what he thinks without being targeted.

spaceleper · 09-05-2009, 05:33 PM

Mikeal, with all due respect, which is pretty much zero, you are an absolute no skill nub.

**squeek.** · 09-05-2009, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidd

3. He sees the medic up the top

What? Why would he be reacting to the medic? He's reacting to the soli coming out of spawn, otherwise he would have just gone towards ele. Backing up/stopping is a purely defensive move (unless you're lining up a conc), not one used to switch routes when you see one might be too crowded with teammates. This is also demonstrated by the fact that he ends up DMing the soldier.

Dr.Satan · 09-05-2009, 06:41 PM

you guys need to watch the flames, discussing the hack is fine, and even bringing up whether or not you think a player is skilled enough to review the demos is fine, but leave the attacks out of it or I'll start tossing out infractions.

ryu^ · 09-05-2009, 07:23 PM

maybe he was taking note of which soldier had just died on defence, and thus anticipated them returning, 50% chance its going to be that one he spawns at. then you make the decision to dm him / hinder his progress of getting back into position. yes it looks dodgy with wireframe models on, but so will legit demos.

09-05-2009, 04:37 AM	#41
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Get fucking real; In the video, he immediately starts back trekking when the conc goes off, because he knows the Medic is coming in off a concussion grenade and he has to compensate for the advance. He never sees the Medic, considering walking back shields the concing Medic behind the tunnel ceiling, yet right as the Medic starts taking gravity, he's firing shots at him. (Also, how does he know where the Medic is falling? He never sees the Medic concing toward his position, and yet he lands a rocket right under the Medic's feet as he falls. From his position, he hears a concussion grenade go off, and that's it. He should be oblivious to the Medic. There are no sounds that play as you're gliding through the fucking air that I know of. Yet, he backs up and "predicts" it perfectly. Get real, again.) MAYBE IT'S JUST SOUND? Uh, no, dumb fucks. Did you not read my post? He would still have to concern if those sounds are from an enemy or his team mate. Sure, in this example it makes some sense, because you're not going to have your own Medics concing around in your base. However, did you even watch the demo? In the demo, the Medics and Scouts don't conc inside the base at upper spawn room to spiral because it's so tight in there, it'd be pointless. So, the Medics and Scouts bhopped, ran, or walked around the corner. If he can hear their sound, then yes, he knows they're coming, but how does he know if it's a team mate or an enemy? There are no specific walk sounds for specific teams; they're universal. The answer is: You wouldn't be able to tell if the player coming around the corner was friend or foe.. SO.. HOW THE FUCK DOES HE KNOW? He not once fires on his team mates coming around the corner, but he always manages to meet the enemy BEFORE he rounds the corner with a nade or a rocket. To me, this is proof that he's wall hacking, regardless of his 'sounds'. In the rare case he isn't wallhacking, it's only obvious his sounds are giving him an unfair advantage equal to wallhacking. Download the real sounds and play like everyone else, scrub. Until then, I don't think anyone wants to hear your pleas for acceptance or reassurance. Good players can pick out vital sounds in the 'sound spam'. You're not making yourself good or better for stripping your game of sounds, you're perpeutating failure and placebo. Enjoy your handicap. Last edited by Bridget; 09-05-2009 at 04:41 AM.

09-05-2009, 02:41 PM	#53
Mikael_hs Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Affiliations: Wazzazzaza Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Can the server just install some proper anti-cheat shit? I cba looking through demos trying to find more evidence altough it looks pretty dodgy to me (2fort was not conclusive whatsoever though). There were many suspicious things in the baked demo but also some that perhaps should be different if hes w-hacking: There was one instant of the rampsol going down, and the medic was hiding (presumably priming a conc) in that little space just left of entrance to fr (right from attackers point of view)... Teka rocketed himself up there (raum said "incomming MEDICS") but did not fire at that little place until he landed and the medic ran out in front of him. If I had whacked id just shot that place from the air... However Im not sure if he had any more rockets frankly. EDIT: upon just watching it a second time (first I was 100% convinced of hax) I also noticed one thing in particular which seems at odds with wallhacking. on tick 25000, Tekas shooting rocket after rocket at rampsols pos (one medic killed raum but got killed himself), when actually the entire blue team is in their own base. I don't know how far you can see with whack, but given that he couldve seen to raum's pos (ramp), he shouldve known nothing was there. However I still think there's much more pointing towards wallhack than against it; I also think teka can be a real idiot at times, but I don't really WANT to believe hes hacking (due to small community I guess). Therefore im not really a good judge on this... See for yourselves and make up your minds (also I'm shit at telling whos haxing or not; I could barely make out Titan was lol) Last edited by Mikael_hs; 09-05-2009 at 03:31 PM.

09-05-2009, 06:41 PM	#59
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	you guys need to watch the flames, discussing the hack is fine, and even bringing up whether or not you think a player is skilled enough to review the demos is fine, but leave the attacks out of it or I'll start tossing out infractions. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

09-05-2009, 04:48 AM	#42
PsychoLogical Teka Teka Teka Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Class/Position: Soldier_&_Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: aAAbsoluteAnnihilation Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OLD TIMERS ruined *FORTRESS FOREVER* Last edited by Bridget; Today at 03:41 AM. who are you? ive never pld with/against or whatever your NICK your words sounding kinda public to me Oo Location: U.S.Awesome Class/Position: Medic/Scout Gametype: AVD defence scout for sure! oh sry defence Medic? sry, Bridged be happy that you killed with Oldtimers FF - but i give a fuck what newbies like you say so long they have no clue about that they talk to me!

09-05-2009, 06:43 AM	#46
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	@1:20 Lmfao blatant wallhacks. Sold.

09-05-2009, 09:41 AM	#48
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	It's cheating regardless of whether or not he wallhacks, because it's obviously giving him an unfair advantage.

09-05-2009, 11:26 AM	#49
sd3mon Join Date: Sep 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thats exactly my opinion zelenjava !!!!!!!! sd3mon

09-05-2009, 01:41 PM	#52
yfni Join Date: Sep 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Although I have nothing against him personally and I totally accept that people are able to predict/shoot better than me ... I've seen his demos, I used his sounds. And I would have liked it to be another outcome but I find him to be guilty. How come he hardly makes any wrong prediction shots? Prediction isn't just about shooting at the right time but also about shooting at the right place. He's just too precise in those shots and in some cases blatently obvious. I would also like to add that he showed links of FF cheats to his clan members a few weeks ago. (by itself not interesting but in context) I respect those that fear a precedent might be created where good players are wrongfully accused of cheating. And many people are indeed not capable of detemining if someones cheating. But I'd hate to see him walk and play on because of indicision. Current state of the matter in euro ff.pickup is: He's been let back in. Some claim the trial is still on going. But it's likely this will not change. So if you have an opinion please share it...

09-05-2009, 04:41 PM	#54
spaceleper League Cheater Join Date: May 2009 Location: MANCHESTER, ENGLAND Class/Position: bent over ur mums coffee table Gametype: i only play on sv_cheats 1 servers thx Affiliations: MYG0T Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Bridget, with all due respect, which is pretty much zero, you are an absolute no skill nub.

09-05-2009, 04:45 PM	#55
spaceleper League Cheater Join Date: May 2009 Location: MANCHESTER, ENGLAND Class/Position: bent over ur mums coffee table Gametype: i only play on sv_cheats 1 servers thx Affiliations: MYG0T Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OK. having watched that avi i'm now MORE sure that teka doesn't cheat.

09-05-2009, 05:00 PM	#56
Mikael_hs Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Affiliations: Wazzazzaza Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	spaceleper please stop the "no skill nub" shit. He has every right to say what he thinks without being targeted.

09-05-2009, 05:33 PM	#57
spaceleper League Cheater Join Date: May 2009 Location: MANCHESTER, ENGLAND Class/Position: bent over ur mums coffee table Gametype: i only play on sv_cheats 1 servers thx Affiliations: MYG0T Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Mikeal, with all due respect, which is pretty much zero, you are an absolute no skill nub.

09-05-2009, 07:23 PM	#60
ryu^ Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	maybe he was taking note of which soldier had just died on defence, and thus anticipated them returning, 50% chance its going to be that one he spawns at. then you make the decision to dm him / hinder his progress of getting back into position. yes it looks dodgy with wireframe models on, but so will legit demos.

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