TF2 or FF? Which will come first?

[Beetle]

you know this for a fact?

[Jetpac]

Originally Posted by Beetle

you know this for a fact?

i would say so.. as i and numerous people have said so far:

TF2 has a much larger market reach than FF, FF may end up being the better game but TF2 will win hands down in numbers.

me personally, ill probably play both TBH.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by webhappy

It's a necessary criterion for FF to be released before TF2 if it wants to have a community larger than TF2's but this is far from sufficient.

In fact, people like us checking a mod's forum are probably a small minority of the people who purchased HL2 or CS:S and happily playing those.

If FF releases before TF2 and a community settles in, it's possible that some people here will choose to not purchase TF2. I still am not sure what the pricing is but I sure as hell don't want to buy the Orange box since I only want TF2 and not EP 2 or Portal (I already bought HL2 and got bored after 2 hours). I imagine the lowest price Valve would sell TF2 is $20.

I am decidedly NOT going to re-buy what I already own. I have CS:S...but rarely play it(it came included with the ltd edition of HL2...which I got half price). I own DoD:S, and only play it once in a while. HL2 is a single player game....and that's fine. I'm not buying it again, no matter what.
Valve currently has the boxed set for $50...according to G4.
Not a bad price if you don't already own it.......

[Lost]

Yah, with the exception of HL:Source and DoD:S, I own every game Valve has published. I have no intentions of repurchasing what I already own simply to get TF2. But FFS, I want Portal and Ep2.

[skuLL]

Originally Posted by Beetle

you know this for a fact?

Everytime I hear this sentence I remember the 'Internet is for Porn' video.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by Lost

Yah, with the exception of HL:Source and DoD:S, I own every game Valve has published. I have no intentions of repurchasing what I already own simply to get TF2. But FFS, I want Portal and Ep2.

Agreed, I would like Ep2....even though I haven't finished Ep1 yet....and Portal DOES look like a good game. I refuse(take note Valve!!!) to pay $50 for a partial game, and a short game.

I don't believe TF2 will be decent enough(for my taste) to warrent buying something I already have just to get a mediocre game that I don't think I will like.

Reference C&C: 10 year Edition.

I like MOST of the games on the dvd....so I was inclined to buy it. TBH, there was only 1 on the disc I didn't like...and that was Renegade. To me, it was worth dropping $30 for a bunch of games I like, even if it included one I didn't.

I am not dropping $50 for 2 I have, 1 I want, 1 I MIGHT like, and 1 I don't think I will like.

Simple economics.

[nodnarb]

I'll pay $50 for all the games I want, and one game I already have.

I already have another account that I am trying to build up.

[Tennovan]

Originally Posted by zenbaga

wow, you'r like friends now, now he's got to make u a beta tester.

Unless we were friends before... or I was already a tester.

[Sacrifist]

TF2 will win hands down regardless of when each is released. Marketing is the major player along with ease of use. As an example, Im on the dev team for HL2:CTF and HL2:CTF is by far a better CTF game then the silly modded map version that can be played in Hl2: DM (with the ball in the gravgun). But if you check the numbers, there are Deathmatch servers that are full and infact the #1 Deathmatch server is a server that runs nothing but ctf maps. Why is this the case? Its quite simple, players dont know about the mod, dont know what a mod even is, doesnt have any idea how to download and install a mod, and dm comes with what you buy and is installed along with the game.

Noobs run the show. They fill servers and keep the community numbers up. Problem is they have no idea what a mod is for the most part, free or not, so its not a simple procedure getting the masses over to play a mod without support from steam and well, dont expect any support that involves CTF style gameplay with TF2 on the doorstep. TF2 will come with EP2 along with everything else. It will install with the game and its not a complicated thing for new players to the game to click the mouse button and start playing TF2 since its already there to play. TF2 wins by a landslide, even if its not the better game.

[Jetpac]

Originally Posted by Sacrifist

TF2 will win hands down regardless of when each is released. Marketing is the major player along with ease of use. As an example, Im on the dev team for HL2:CTF and HL2:CTF is by far a better CTF game then the silly modded map version that can be played in Hl2: DM (with the ball in the gravgun). But if you check the numbers, there are Deathmatch servers that are full and infact the #1 Deathmatch server is a server that runs nothing but ctf maps. Why is this the case? Its quite simple, players dont know about the mod, dont know what a mod even is, doesnt have any idea how to download and install a mod, and dm comes with what you buy and is installed along with the game.

Noobs run the show. They fill servers and keep the community numbers up. Problem is they have no idea what a mod is for the most part, free or not, so its not a simple procedure getting the masses over to play a mod without support from steam and well, dont expect any support that involves CTF style gameplay with TF2 on the doorstep. TF2 will come with EP2 along with everything else. It will install with the game and its not a complicated thing for new players to the game to click the mouse button and start playing TF2 since its already there to play. TF2 wins by a landslide, even if its not the better game.

This is exactly the point i have been making for ages, thankyou for makling it much clearer than i have done :P

the only thing i would add to that is that the people who play more casually aswell (which there are alot of) simply cannot be arsed to download and install a mod.

This is why we as a community will need to really push.
i.e Post to digg and everyone digg it ASAP so it gets on the front page (since digg is one of the greatest web resoruces for publicity and all that)

[Jetpac]

interesting little gem from Valve just found when i opened steam:

If you purchase the orange box, Steam will detect that you have already bought duplicates of the games and will enable you to send them to a friend.

[nex nicholai]

Originally Posted by Sacrifist

TF2 will win hands down regardless of when each is released.

I agree that TF2 will have more players, but I dont think it is accurate to say that one will "win" against the other. If they were an exact clone of each other, then I would say that only one would be able to survive for long. But they are different enough that people will play both.

TF2 has the publicity and the simple gameplay that will bring in tons of new players to TF. FF has the depth and skill that a somewhat experienced TF player will want (not to say that it wont draw in new folks as well). In this respect, TF2 and FF compliment each other rather than compete.

Its still going to be a challenge to make FF work, though. Like any mod, it will need a lot of advertising. If FF doesnt make it, it will be because of that and not because of competition with TF2.

I dont know about you guys, but im sure ill be playing both non stop when they arrive!

[Circuitous]

What, simultaneously?

[Tennovan]

Is there any other way to play? It takes major skill to work a keyboard with your toes.

[GhOsT]

There's a guy named Malice that plays TFC with his feet because he doesn't have any arms. He released a video on the cats a while back showing off his dexterity. I think he writes better with his feet than I do with my hands.

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[Lost]

I try to play TFC with my penis, but all I end up doing is mashing a bunch of keys and hitting the space bar nonstop.

[Coronius]

niiice... Hmm its that what people call it when they say theyre playing tfc with their "joystick"?

[Paft]

Originally Posted by GhOsT

There's a guy named Malice that plays TFC with his feet because he doesn't have any arms. He released a video on the cats a while back showing off his dexterity. I think he writes better with his feet than I do with my hands.

Link! I'm too lazy to go looking for it today and I don't like the cats.