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o_nezumi · 05-26-2006, 03:14 AM

Is there any preliminary talk from old TFC leagues about updatind to FF?

I'm sure most of them are planning it, but does anyone have any actual word?

**mervaka** · 05-26-2006, 12:33 PM

you mean no other game in existence has a 'scout'?

o_blitzkrieg-aa- · 05-26-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nezumi

I think Omni is right, which explains why valve hasn't told you to switch class names or to stop developing or something.

It doesn't explain their fortress-related silence though.

God damn valve is wierd.

Well, if we really want to speculate, there could be a good reason they haven't exercised any possible legal rights yet.

Maybe they want to purchase FF instead of making their own fortress mod. However, the dev team has made it pretty clear they plan on keeping control of the mod and don't plan on selling it.

It's possible that Valve is waiting until the Mod is finished and ready for release, and just before release, they could get their lawyers involved. If the dev team fought a legal battle with Valve, they would incur huge legal fees and the mod's release could be delayed for a very long time.

Faced with the proposition of a long, expensive legal battle, Vlave then put together some kind of package to purchase the mod. They would basically give the dev team a choice of selling the game and making some cash or force them to fight a legal battle, which would force the dev team to retain attorneys, pay the attorneys, and fight a legal battle which could totally halt the release of the game.

This is just pure speculation, as I don't know what Valve's legal rights are with regards to the mod, and I don't know if Valve has any desire to purchase the game. But if we're being cynical, this is one possibility.

o_ghost · 05-27-2006, 12:14 AM

Can I have my tinfoil hat back please?

o_dammage · 05-27-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg-AA-

and just before release, they could get their lawyers involved

That would be a harakiri for valve served with a tripple suicide.

They would lose image in the mod scene and the gaming scene will make A LOT of steam.

After the circus with vivendi and steam it would be also a \kill on contract level - who would ever want to do deals with a party which tends to sue everyone?

Vivendi will be able to roll out its canonary against valve to push their politics.

Selling sequels is not easy especially when the whole world hates you.

Should valve sleep over the release and block ff then via steam, steam will fall down lower than DRM (as it has right now the level of digital restriction management systems if you ask people around you) what doesn't really bring any bonus points in the future.

And as I already said: copyright covers works, not patterns. Go ask a patent troll for the difference between a patent and copyright on a work. He will tell you: the copyright covers a work from direct copying, a patent lets you to write three simple sentenses in a very complicated way to cover a whole room of ideas on a pattern.

Difference: if Valve patented "the TF-principe", it would be: (sorry for my English, those are 8 years since last proper use

)
A world divided by a neutral area containing objectives to be accomplished by nine entities different in power, equipment and speed.
By creating Battlefield you would violate such a patent.

Difference to this is: (c) 1999 Valve Software
You may not copy any contents or parts of it from TFC.

That means: you may not use PARTS (take it physically) of the game for own purposes as (mostly only) redistributing them without authorization. That would be for example to take a texture from HL/TFC and put it into FF.

Take a bunch of weedmen, then write a clone and release it (with such classes as HWGuy, Scout or Medic) is NOT protected by the copyright.

o_mikequist · 05-27-2006, 02:06 AM

There is wayyyy too much overspeculation in this thread. But that's just my opinion. Really. For all we know, Valve has never heard of FF. Or they could have already bought it and the mod team is not telling us. Or Valve is actually a group of Aliens who are planning to take over the Earth through Steam and FF's coding is powerful enough to ruin that. I mean, there's just limitless amounts of possibilities, and the community needs to just get over it until release. Until then, all we can do is do our parts to spread the mod ourselves, and hope that the team gets the mod out before the majority of the HL2 community turns 30 and realize they are wasting their lives with video games.

o_frenchtoast · 05-27-2006, 05:23 PM

I'm going to go ahead and assume Valves heard of FF after all the hubbub with the Steam forums.

Defrag · 05-27-2006, 06:01 PM

Valve knows about us :P

o_nezumi · 05-28-2006, 02:59 AM

Defrag personally left a burning bag of dog crap on Valve's front porch before ringing the doorbell and running away.

o_etzell · 05-28-2006, 04:23 AM

"Don't put it out with your boot, Gabe!"

o_geokill-----> · 05-28-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

Valve knows about us :P

Any more details on that?

o_dammage · 05-28-2006, 02:10 PM

Valve offered protection services, but the Dev-Team refused.
Now (oh, what a surprise) the servers might get stolen by (oh what a surprise) an unknown party any second

o_don · 05-28-2006, 02:15 PM

Valve offered FF protection services?

o_frenchtoast · 05-28-2006, 08:16 PM

Yeah, they were worried about the mob, so the dev team got placed under 24-hour VALVe surveillance. Around midnight they decided to upgrade their software and consequently it didn't work, so a few dev members ended up in the ocean cemented to bricks.

Circuitous · 05-28-2006, 09:54 PM

Also they gave them a unicorn.

o_qbaler · 05-29-2006, 08:50 PM

I heard that gabe is defrag's father!

DUN DUN DUNNNNNN!

o_frenchtoast · 05-29-2006, 09:28 PM

Well we're fucked now.

o_dammage · 05-30-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by qbaler

I heard that gabe is defrag's father!

DUN DUN DUNNNNNN!

Nope, it is the other way around

BTW, gamestar.de (the biggest german gaming magazine + one of the most popular national leagues) was long time a big fan of TFC. Especially Petra Schmitz ... Save her from the GuildWars-swamp by releasing a beta...
Every time I log in she is online. Must be a swamp

o_ginger lord · 05-30-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Well we're fucked now.

qft

o_amazingnurseenrique · 06-01-2006, 11:54 PM

Nice work Fresh.

PCGamer is the single gaming publication I read. I don't always agree with them, but I resepct their talent and integrity as writers and as a publication. Some addtional press with them can't be a bad thing.

05-26-2006, 12:33 PM	#42
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	you mean no other game in existence has a 'scout'? __________________ Support FF:

05-27-2006, 06:01 PM	#48
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Valve knows about us :P __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

05-28-2006, 09:54 PM	#55
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Also they gave them a unicorn. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

05-26-2006, 03:14 AM	#41
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Is there any preliminary talk from old TFC leagues about updatind to FF? I'm sure most of them are planning it, but does anyone have any actual word?

05-27-2006, 12:14 AM	#44
o_ghost Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Can I have my tinfoil hat back please?

05-27-2006, 02:06 AM	#46
o_mikequist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tampa Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There is wayyyy too much overspeculation in this thread. But that's just my opinion. Really. For all we know, Valve has never heard of FF. Or they could have already bought it and the mod team is not telling us. Or Valve is actually a group of Aliens who are planning to take over the Earth through Steam and FF's coding is powerful enough to ruin that. I mean, there's just limitless amounts of possibilities, and the community needs to just get over it until release. Until then, all we can do is do our parts to spread the mod ourselves, and hope that the team gets the mod out before the majority of the HL2 community turns 30 and realize they are wasting their lives with video games.

05-27-2006, 05:23 PM	#47
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm going to go ahead and assume Valves heard of FF after all the hubbub with the Steam forums.

05-28-2006, 02:59 AM	#49
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Defrag personally left a burning bag of dog crap on Valve's front porch before ringing the doorbell and running away.

05-28-2006, 04:23 AM	#50
o_etzell Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	"Don't put it out with your boot, Gabe!"

05-28-2006, 02:10 PM	#52
o_dammage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Valve offered protection services, but the Dev-Team refused. Now (oh, what a surprise) the servers might get stolen by (oh what a surprise) an unknown party any second

05-28-2006, 02:15 PM	#53
o_don Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Valve offered FF protection services?

05-28-2006, 08:16 PM	#54
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, they were worried about the mob, so the dev team got placed under 24-hour VALVe surveillance. Around midnight they decided to upgrade their software and consequently it didn't work, so a few dev members ended up in the ocean cemented to bricks.

05-29-2006, 08:50 PM	#56
o_qbaler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I heard that gabe is defrag's father! DUN DUN DUNNNNNN!

05-29-2006, 09:28 PM	#57
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well we're fucked now.

06-01-2006, 11:54 PM	#60
o_amazingnurseenrique Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Redmond, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Nice work Fresh. PCGamer is the single gaming publication I read. I don't always agree with them, but I resepct their talent and integrity as writers and as a publication. Some addtional press with them can't be a bad thing.

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