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12-18-2007, 07:02 PM | #41 | |
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2. The era in which the text was written did not have abortion. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/person Notice how no definition defines a person as a fetus, a zygote, etc. You may also notice the first definition has the following words: Human: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/human Individual: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/individual In blue. You'll notice no words remarking anything about a fetus or zygote. You should also notice the little part at the end of what you quoted. Due process. DUE PROCESS - The idea that laws and legal proceedings must be fair. The Constitution guarantees that the government cannot take away a person's basic rights to 'life, liberty or property, without due process of law.' Courts have issued numerous rulings about what this means in particular cases. That's fine. It's very easy to legally put somebody to death, to seize their belongings, to do a plethora of other things. It happens daily. It happens often. And it is no different here. |
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This choice is often misunderstood, and a lot of people think that pregnancy cannot happen with the use of proper contraception, but nothing is full proof. The Choice is there before it even takes place. I am certainly not one to play russian roulette and hope I don't get shot in the temple... Quote:
The choice to birth a child comes when a couple decides to have sex, with or without contraception. |
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12-18-2007, 08:41 PM | #43 | |
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But there is no answer. Nothing definitive. The possibilty of my way of thinking being wrong is equal to yours. When it comes to dictating the courses of lives not our own we can not use our hearts to guide us. The only thing you and I are sure on is that the mother is alive, and a person who has rights. Science, faith, will and luck can substantiate that. That alone makes her life more important. You can look into her eyes, and watch them blink. A zygote has no eyes, no heart or lungs. It has no legs, no beating heart. If you were to pull it out of the mother and incubate it, it would die. Which is why I must go back to my statement that as young as an unborn child can survive outside the womb is considered life. At that stage at least the future has an answer. *edit* because as time progresses and medicle scienec and keep younger fetuses alive outside the womb there is an alternative to abortion. But also, because if the baby has a chance to live without the mother then an abortion is ending a live more guarenteed than once before. It's not a time limit, or a finite point, but a point of maturity that will grow with the human race. Last edited by BinaryLife; 12-19-2007 at 08:26 PM. |
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12-18-2007, 10:15 PM | #45 | |
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Kube's obviously going to pull the consentual sex argument. But like you said: If he can't differentiate between a zygote and a fetus, he needs to take a biology class over. I very much doubt you're actually pro-life, Kube. You believe the baby should be born. Where should it go? If the mother can't raise it or it'll ruin her, it should go to adoption, right? Such a shame that our adoption centers are bursting, and there are loads of kids out on the street right now that would love to have a family take them in. Not only that, but adoption costs money. Lots of it. Most people simply CAN NOT afford it, and as a child gets older, their chances of adoption are slimmer. So, who's going to take them in? Are you going to change your entire life to accomodate one child who came into this world by mistake? What about events like incest? Pregnancy among younger children (14-15)? People make mistakes, and ruining their entire life over something that can be fixed in an operation is about as backwards and as twisted as ever. A woman has rights over her body, something America is slowly realizing. It's shocking how far we're behind with civil liberties while students in our school system are lead to believe that we're a nation of angels who fought to abolish slavery and persecution. History books gladly glide over the American eugenics craze, the imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens and Japanese citizens living in America (who were unable to gain citizenship due to the laws at that time), the House Un-American Activities Committee, et cetera. Your comment on the eight months thing shows that you have no idea what you're talking about with abortion. Refer again to what Uber said: God help you, no one else can.
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12-19-2007, 12:22 AM | #46 | |
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12-19-2007, 12:30 AM | #47 | |
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How are the chances reduced greatly by getting checked out? Life at conception is a joke and believed by those who don't understand the process. It's nothing more than two conjoined cells. For quite awhile afterwards it's nothing more than a handful of eukaryotic cells. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in biology. Read up on human embryogenesis on Wikipedia or something.
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12-19-2007, 02:12 AM | #48 | |
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A lot of times adoption agencies are non-profit. There are a great many religiously sponsored adoptions centers. In the US it's handled differently for each state. I know less than I should. My dad was adopted and has since wrote a book and self published it about his experiences.
...lol I have yet to read it. But anyways, back on topic: |
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You pro-abortionists are just trying to make yourselves feel better about condoning murder!!!!111oneone CANT YOU SEE THE WORLD NEEDS MORE HUMANS? Especially illegitimate/unwanted ones, we need more of those.
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12-19-2007, 09:24 AM | #51 | |
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12-20-2007, 05:41 AM | #52 | |
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I'll edit that out. Got carried away with my rant. Sorry. I agree with ekiM here. Life at conception is completely baseless.
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12-20-2007, 11:21 AM | #53 |
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Who's Ron Paul?
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12-20-2007, 02:13 PM | #54 |
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Google Ron Paul.
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12-20-2007, 05:06 PM | #55 |
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lol, abortion abortion abortion abortion
who the hell is ron paul? Priceless. |
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I asked someone at work and they flipped out that I didn't know who was running for president. I pretty much get all my news from this forum since the only thing I watch now are the DVR episodes of like Family Guy, Southpark and Niptuck |
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Uber that pic is priceless. Seriously, it needs to be in one of those Mastercard commercials.
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12-21-2007, 02:15 AM | #59 |
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It's an actual blimp, not fake:
www.ronpaulblimp.com There is also a schedule on where it is to be going. As far as I know, it's heading to one of the carolina's to hopefully be there for the football game. Here's a pic from the other side: |
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12-21-2007, 02:22 AM | #60 |
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I bet Ron Paul smells his own socks. What a dick.
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