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I really hope more people play FF, because I'd hate to see it die over crap like this. It seems much more popular in the UK, so for me I pretty much have to play mid-day or early afternoon if I want to see a good game. At night here, all too often I face these options: 1. Plan on a server with a map I hate 2. Plan on a server with what I consider ludicrous rules 3. Play on an empty server 4. Say hell with FF and do something else. |
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10-09-2007, 10:02 PM | #42 | |
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Well there is a bug with the MOTD and not all server use mani adverts to broadcast so there could be some miscommunication happening. Since you don't know, I have to assume there was a no defensive pyro rule. Now, I'd never have such a rule on my servers but admins have every right to run their servers however they want, so that's the end of that. Like I said, kick is just a warning, it's not even the most severe warning. You could have rejoined, checked the MOTD or asked what the rules were. Players have every right to choose not to join a server or to quit one they don't like but no player, imo, has the right to ignore rules just because they don't like them. |
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10-09-2007, 10:22 PM | #43 |
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lol, I really dont see what all the whine is about. If you dont like the rules, dont join. Firstly, its the server admins choice as to what rules he wants to enforce. Secondly, like quite a few people have said, generally people who wear the [] clantag understand the other rules of the server and often makes admining easier. Thirdly, why moan so much? It really seems bizarre to me, like I have already said, it is up to the server admins what rules they want to enforce, personally, I would only ever join a server like this, as I do not enjoy playing FF half as much on random server without clanstyle rules, this is just my preferance. I dont go onto 2fort 24/7 servers and whine about them only playing 2fort, it is their choice if they want to do that, they obviously enjoy it more, so I just join other servers.
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10-09-2007, 10:34 PM | #44 | |
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10-10-2007, 11:16 AM | #45 | ||||||
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For the Nth time, I'm not saying private servers should not have these rules. I'm saying for newcomers, it can cause a very negative experience and admins should consider passwording their servers for 2 reasons: 1. Far less people will break the rules if they have to make a more deliberate effort to join the server (and thus learn them) 2. Newcomers won't be turned off by the game The mod doesn't even have a MANUAL yet, newcomers are BOUND to break the rules by accident because they won't fully understand the game itself yet, let alone clan rules. While it seems natural to TFC vets, FF definitely has a real learning curve to it. Quote:
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10-17-2007, 01:59 AM | #46 | |
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Of course they do, period. Because not everyone has a problem learning and following other admins' rules. Many admins think rules make a for play style that players want. New or otherwise. Not all servers have to cater to new players nor are they killing the mod nor stupid for running the servers as they see fit. Rules should be clear and easy to understand or somehow explained but rules don't, in any way, kill the mod, imo. |
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10-17-2007, 02:23 AM | #47 |
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oh man... not another!
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10-17-2007, 02:52 AM | #48 | |
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He replied to my post, I replied to his, It's called a conversation. |
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10-17-2007, 05:07 AM | #49 |
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wow you dont sound up yourself at all there...
you can post your opinion, but if its based on misguided assumptions like yours is, dont expect not to be told about it im gonna make a server where you can only play scout, everyone is offence, no OvO. you said you think that rules cant kill the mod, but im sure if all servers ran rules like that, i think its save to say 95% of players would play for 5 minutes then uninstall. some rules will affect newbies perception and willingness to play the mod, some wont make a difference. stupendously naive of you to think no rules can have an impact on killing the mod. the mod will only become popular and ultimately be successful in the long run if new players pick it up, and if these clan rules are turning people away, then the blood is on the hands of admins who enforce shitty rules. |
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10-17-2007, 06:36 AM | #50 | |
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Not all servers have to cater to new players, nor should they. |
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10-17-2007, 07:55 AM | #51 |
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nobody said otherwise - you can make whatever rules you want and no one can stop you. that of course doesnt mean it will be whats best for the mod in the long run.
but if someone is that determined to bring over legacy rules from tfc (some of which are pretty questionable there) and enforce them to the detriment of new players, theyve already shown a lack of regard for the mods long term future, so i wouldnt expect them to really give a shit what effect their server has on the average player. |
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10-17-2007, 12:40 PM | #52 |
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Server rules are pretty lax on this server, common sense kicks are all I've seen. Most of the people getting kicked are relatively clued up players that seem to purposely join, not really to break the rules but to just wind players up.
These 'newbies' that everyone talks about in these server and 'ff is dying' threads, are people that join a server with rules, ignore them all, ignore the people asking for them not to do whatever, get kicked and never load up the game again - do they really exist? Are they the sort of players that are going to stick the game out, learn it and start playing in leagues and stuff (which is what we're talking about yeah?). They'd be better off never playing the game again after trying one server than trying to stick it out with such a hostile community. blablablabal |
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10-17-2007, 09:49 PM | #53 | |
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EDIT: i suppose its a conversation i missed from a while back (its a month old conversation) but my point remains. lets keep these debates in one thread please? |
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10-18-2007, 06:36 AM | #54 | |
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Hope that helps... |
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10-18-2007, 10:15 AM | #55 |
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The above post should be moves to the "You laugh, you lose" thread. (I lost).
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10-18-2007, 03:27 PM | #56 |
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Me too.
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10-20-2007, 02:46 AM | #57 |
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putting [] before your name is the first milestone to showing that you follow the server rules.
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10-20-2007, 03:56 PM | #58 |
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wow, this is still alive? well server is now running TF2 so you can close it if u want/can
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10-20-2007, 06:52 PM | #59 |
went from an anal league rules FF server... to a TF2 server?
suck my dick. Last edited by Meathook; 10-20-2007 at 07:17 PM. |
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