Remaking mortality_l: Suggestions? - Page 2

o_kam · 06-17-2005, 12:39 AM

The attic is the most boring position to defend which might be due to the high bment height (hard to nail the conc consistantly on an average server :/) but also because there's really no other way to get there. Perhaps join the useless water tower thing to the bment so more offy go top or atleast have the option to.
Fall damage, shmall damage

o_koochy · 06-17-2005, 08:02 AM

I think you need to up your geometry. Your version of mulch_dm looks like a HL1 map :(.

o_azlan · 06-17-2005, 09:08 AM

That would be because it IS a HL1 map. The architecture is 100% accurate (every block is in it's place from the original map). I'm still a beginner when it comes to lighting, so I'll be learning as I go with mortality.

I thought about connecting the water towers with the battlements ala monkey_madness_r style and I will fiddle with the different options for that.

Also, please keep in mind that in American TFC heavy classes are used often on offense and I want to encourage people to play heavy classes on offense, as opposed to the boring scout/medic combo that is all you see these days. I'll figure something out, so keep checking when I update this thread for updates on it so that I can get you all's input.

Thanks for your suggestions!

o_drtom · 06-17-2005, 10:13 AM

perhaps if you opened the balc/attic route up for heavy classes you would destroy the balance of the map?
2 sols in attic would wipe out attic def, and then they are in FR ?! doesnt sound good to me !

o_fresh · 06-17-2005, 10:22 AM

Yeah Alzan, i think we should play more American style TFC, its more exciting. Lets not stop at Hevs on offy what about having 8 flags on Sd2 instead of 2, or POWERPLAY where the team can run through walls and insta kill on touch, or abit of Nail gun INSTAGIB, or MID MAP Cheerleaders.

New Flag Design...

o_bokko · 06-17-2005, 11:19 AM

Mortality is a huge map by ctf standards, heavy classes aren't supposed to be effective on offence. Huge yard, huge ramproom, huge flagroom, very few chokepoints. But hey, maybe you should just change the map layout completely and then call it mortality just for the sakes of it. :P

o_koochy · 06-17-2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azlan

I've just rebuilt mulch_dm and finished it pretty much, with working doors, windows, lighting, and all of the normal stuff ... I mostly remade it as a primer to get acquainted with Hammer so that I could start making original maps.

You remade a map, in HL1 style for HL2? Why not amp it up to get used to all the glorious new features HL2 has to offer D:?

o_wildfire · 06-17-2005, 12:53 PM

I remember now why I didn't start up mapping again - when I try to run Hammer now, it just siezes up as soon as I run it. I can create one brush (with a lot of hardware lag trying to stop me) and then that's it, game over, freeze. Is there a work-around for this?

If I can get it running I'll see what I can come up with. I still sketch out the odd design from time to time and if I can find the plans I have a few good ones in the bank that I'd like to make.

Edit: Oh and from what I can tell the camera view doesn't seem to be functioning at all. What have they done to this editor? Ewul.

What I really need is a good setup guide, the 'official' one covers the compile and gameinfo stuff but doesn't tell me where to get textures, materials etc. Utter crap from a noob's point of view.

(3.4GHz P4, 1GB ram, Radeon 9800 pro)

o_docwolfe · 06-17-2005, 02:02 PM

WF my system is inferior yet I dont have any probs

maybe try and get rid of all that spyware and pron dialers on your comp first? :P

o_wildfire · 06-17-2005, 02:25 PM

Well I managed to get it working to an extent now - for some reason I have to close steam.exe via ctrl-alt-delete while I'm working, else it won't work. Now if someone could tell me where to get some textures, I'll be off.

o_docwolfe · 06-17-2005, 02:34 PM

they should automatically appear when you restart steam - this is all I had to do!

o_sh4x · 06-17-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildfire

Well I managed to get it working to an extent now - for some reason I have to close steam.exe via ctrl-alt-delete while I'm working, else it won't work. Now if someone could tell me where to get some textures, I'll be off.

Make sure you have everything you need downloaded at 100%. Then close steam, restart comp, start steam, open source sdk and do refresh sdk content, then your set.

o_azlan · 06-27-2005, 10:03 PM

I've started back from where I started before I left for vacation. I've got all the basic architecture done except for the air shoot, the flag room, and some of upstairs. I'm doing one base first, then I'm going to copy and flip it. I'll do the midfield and water tunnels then, saving the skybox for last.

I've got the next few days off before I go back to work, so odds are I'll have one of the bases done by the end of the week.

o_azlan · 07-06-2005, 04:13 PM

I'm at the point where I've begun texturing the bases and adding props and details. Does anyone know where I can find a fan prop for the shoop? I looked through all of the prop folders for HL2DM (the base mod I use at the moment), but couldn't find one in there.

**mervaka** · 07-06-2005, 04:16 PM

ask Nezumi, hes got some ownage fans in his map here

o_kam · 07-06-2005, 05:47 PM

You could use the one from dm_lockdown. A model would be better though :>

(unless it was a model...can't remember)

o_otiz · 07-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresh

Yeah Alzan, i think we should play more American style TFC, its more exciting. Lets not stop at Hevs on offy what about having 8 flags on Sd2 instead of 2, or POWERPLAY where the team can run through walls and insta kill on touch, or abit of Nail gun INSTAGIB, or MID MAP Cheerleaders.

New Flag Design...

I love you.

o_valk · 07-08-2005, 06:39 AM

if u change this map ur gonna kill it

o_osiris · 07-08-2005, 07:22 AM

damnit! I've been working on Mulch_DM as a sort of secret project lately

Didnt realise that it was actually going to be developed by the team

Whatever, good practice I guess.
(W.I.P. screenshots)

It obviouslly needed to be brightened up quite a bit in a few spots... and textures... oooh the horrible textures

o_azlan · 07-08-2005, 09:22 AM

Do the guy with the fans hasn't gotten back to me yet. Does anyone know how I can get CS:S models into HL2DM's folders? So that I can have a larger base of props and such.

06-17-2005, 12:39 AM	#21
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The attic is the most boring position to defend which might be due to the high bment height (hard to nail the conc consistantly on an average server :/) but also because there's really no other way to get there. Perhaps join the useless water tower thing to the bment so more offy go top or atleast have the option to. Fall damage, shmall damage

06-17-2005, 08:02 AM	#22
o_koochy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think you need to up your geometry. Your version of mulch_dm looks like a HL1 map :(.

06-17-2005, 09:08 AM	#23
o_azlan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That would be because it IS a HL1 map. The architecture is 100% accurate (every block is in it's place from the original map). I'm still a beginner when it comes to lighting, so I'll be learning as I go with mortality. I thought about connecting the water towers with the battlements ala monkey_madness_r style and I will fiddle with the different options for that. Also, please keep in mind that in American TFC heavy classes are used often on offense and I want to encourage people to play heavy classes on offense, as opposed to the boring scout/medic combo that is all you see these days. I'll figure something out, so keep checking when I update this thread for updates on it so that I can get you all's input. Thanks for your suggestions!

06-17-2005, 10:13 AM	#24
o_drtom Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	perhaps if you opened the balc/attic route up for heavy classes you would destroy the balance of the map? 2 sols in attic would wipe out attic def, and then they are in FR ?! doesnt sound good to me !

06-17-2005, 10:22 AM	#25
o_fresh Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brum. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah Alzan, i think we should play more American style TFC, its more exciting. Lets not stop at Hevs on offy what about having 8 flags on Sd2 instead of 2, or POWERPLAY where the team can run through walls and insta kill on touch, or abit of Nail gun INSTAGIB, or MID MAP Cheerleaders. New Flag Design...

06-17-2005, 11:19 AM	#26
o_bokko Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Mortality is a huge map by ctf standards, heavy classes aren't supposed to be effective on offence. Huge yard, huge ramproom, huge flagroom, very few chokepoints. But hey, maybe you should just change the map layout completely and then call it mortality just for the sakes of it. :P

06-17-2005, 12:53 PM	#28
o_wildfire Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I remember now why I didn't start up mapping again - when I try to run Hammer now, it just siezes up as soon as I run it. I can create one brush (with a lot of hardware lag trying to stop me) and then that's it, game over, freeze. Is there a work-around for this? If I can get it running I'll see what I can come up with. I still sketch out the odd design from time to time and if I can find the plans I have a few good ones in the bank that I'd like to make. Edit: Oh and from what I can tell the camera view doesn't seem to be functioning at all. What have they done to this editor? Ewul. What I really need is a good setup guide, the 'official' one covers the compile and gameinfo stuff but doesn't tell me where to get textures, materials etc. Utter crap from a noob's point of view. (3.4GHz P4, 1GB ram, Radeon 9800 pro)

06-17-2005, 02:02 PM	#29
o_docwolfe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	WF my system is inferior yet I dont have any probs maybe try and get rid of all that spyware and pron dialers on your comp first? :P

06-17-2005, 02:25 PM	#30
o_wildfire Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well I managed to get it working to an extent now - for some reason I have to close steam.exe via ctrl-alt-delete while I'm working, else it won't work. Now if someone could tell me where to get some textures, I'll be off.

06-17-2005, 02:34 PM	#31
o_docwolfe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	they should automatically appear when you restart steam - this is all I had to do!

06-27-2005, 10:03 PM	#33
o_azlan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've started back from where I started before I left for vacation. I've got all the basic architecture done except for the air shoot, the flag room, and some of upstairs. I'm doing one base first, then I'm going to copy and flip it. I'll do the midfield and water tunnels then, saving the skybox for last. I've got the next few days off before I go back to work, so odds are I'll have one of the bases done by the end of the week.

07-06-2005, 04:13 PM	#34
o_azlan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm at the point where I've begun texturing the bases and adding props and details. Does anyone know where I can find a fan prop for the shoop? I looked through all of the prop folders for HL2DM (the base mod I use at the moment), but couldn't find one in there.

07-06-2005, 04:16 PM	#35
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	ask Nezumi, hes got some ownage fans in his map here

07-06-2005, 05:47 PM	#36
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You could use the one from dm_lockdown. A model would be better though :> (unless it was a model...can't remember)

07-08-2005, 06:39 AM	#38
o_valk Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	if u change this map ur gonna kill it

07-08-2005, 07:22 AM	#39
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	damnit! I've been working on Mulch_DM as a sort of secret project lately Didnt realise that it was actually going to be developed by the team Whatever, good practice I guess. (W.I.P. screenshots) It obviouslly needed to be brightened up quite a bit in a few spots... and textures... oooh the horrible textures

07-08-2005, 09:22 AM	#40
o_azlan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Do the guy with the fans hasn't gotten back to me yet. Does anyone know how I can get CS:S models into HL2DM's folders? So that I can have a larger base of props and such.

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