FF same old same old.

[Ricey]

Originally Posted by !nF3D4L

well.. pubs are pubs they aren't always the hardest thing but they can be fun... play pickups indeed

and trust me if me or squeek are playing engy.. well give u a run for your money <3

I'll rape your face with my rusty wrench woman,


Play a pick up.x10

[!nF3D4L]

pfftt... u wish

[chilledsanity]

Originally Posted by Lasher13

But FF is too easy. I don't know maybe I was playing, with dumb people?

Probably. I can say with confidence that the majority of time I play in pubs, there's usually at least a few really good people. In fact the skill level average on FF I'd say is much higher than on a lot of other FPS's. You probably had just a fluke game. But like others have said, I'm sure pickups can give you a real challenge if pubs aren't enough.

Originally Posted by Lasher13

One thing I know for sure, is Sentry guns are R ET A R D E D...0.o... The whole experience I played my first time through, No sentry gun could stop me no matter what class I played. I died once, over a period of 2 hours, 2 maps.

No argument from me there, I can usually take them out now just by outgunning or outrunning it rather than use any sort of tactic. Their push has been lowered dramatically (I think even below nailguns), they don't retain target locks, lock-on range has been reduced, they offer no physical protection to engineers, and their health has been reduced. Meanwhile other classes (pyro, sniper) can now do more damage, and others (hwguy, demo) have better range, and spies have powerful new techniques for getting past them and engineers. As it stands right now, it's never been easier to take out a sentry in a TF game.

As I understand it, the philosophy behind these changes is that the entire team should be preventing people from attacking the sentry gun as opposed to the engineer being able to defend it. I personally don't agree with this shift, though I will admit on one map, ff_vertigo, sentries still seem very effective in a large enough game.

[Agent Buckshot Moose]

SG range lock-on range did not change. It just got a maximum range. That is unless iut was one of those sneaky random things like the Pyro's IC damage/AR damage going up...

[Credge]

Originally Posted by Agent Buckshot Moose

SG range lock-on range did not change. It just got a maximum range. That is unless iut was one of those sneaky random things like the Pyro's IC damage/AR damage going up...

It's lock on range is the same. What people are experiencing is a regulation of the biggest thing that imbalanced the game in 2.0. Those that are used to it are having a hard time adjusting, mainly because most SG spots that were good in 2.0 are no longer as good.

[chilledsanity]

No what I meant was that once the target had been locked on, its range was infinite until the target found cover. I actually don't mind that change, it's relatively trivial, it's the combination of several other changes that have greatly reduced the sg's staying power.