Noob mapper attempting 2chem, need advice! - Page 2

o_valk · 06-08-2005, 06:11 AM

upload to ozfort gallery
www.ozfortress.com/gallery

o_rush · 06-08-2005, 07:45 AM

Gimme a day or so and I will post some more, with a little more work done.

o_jerm · 06-08-2005, 07:50 AM

http://www.ozfortress.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=10

o_rush · 06-08-2005, 09:29 AM

Thanks for that jerm

o_valk · 06-08-2005, 12:07 PM

yeh its too tall
the proportions are out

o_racer · 06-09-2005, 05:18 AM

I havent tried the map but form the two pictures it was looking awesome.
I loved the extra dark and foggy feel.
If there are multiple routes snipers and other issues may not affect the gameplay.
I would suggest worrying about reducing the fog after you've seen how it pubbed. keep it dark and sureal, a totally unique vision of Chems map.
your map is the most sinister of all the ff maps so far dont looose that effect please

o_rush · 06-13-2005, 11:19 AM

Now I have finally managed to fix the height of the second level. I had to bite the bullet and just shift/change everything. This of course added heaps of leaks etc.

Add the compile time (around 3 hours) and it gets harder to finalise the details!

I have left the overall height (sniper deck and map "roof") as being higher then the original. This is on purpose, cause I think it looks a lot better, but wont impact too much on gameplay. This is opposed to the internal/ramp level, where the height was wrong cause I am just too noob

o_bluppfisk · 06-14-2005, 03:37 PM

v. nice sir!
honestly, the sniper rifle laser should be visible in the thick fog, that would look so cool and make it easier to find them as well.

zwoing laser passes, shining in your eye for a moment
zwoing laser goes the other way
zwoing laser burns in your eye and turns half of your screen lasery-red
POP.

o_[wtf?]chemical burn · 06-14-2005, 06:53 PM

btw, I didn't make that map.

o_player · 06-14-2005, 07:19 PM

He made chemfort.

Maybe you could use a blend texture for your rocks? They look too repetitive.

o_shadow34721 · 06-14-2005, 09:00 PM

don't use pure white light.
not sure if it is 255 255 255, but it does look like it... makes the lighting seem a bit... off. lighting makes or breaks a map visually (that and bad geometry, but thats not the issue here)

o_rush · 06-14-2005, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Player

He made chemfort.

Maybe you could use a blend texture for your rocks? They look too repetitive.

I do have a blend, but its mostly being used at the bottom. I totally agree that they are too repetetive, thats somethign I was worried about.
Maybe I can figure something else out to help with that problem

o_rush · 06-14-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow34721

don't use pure white light.
not sure if it is 255 255 255, but it does look like it... makes the lighting seem a bit... off. lighting makes or breaks a map visually (that and bad geometry, but thats not the issue here)

It is 255 255 255. I was thinking of adding a blue/red tinge to the bases' lighting. But I was gonna wait til the texture pack came out and I saw how it looked when I had applied some of the official textures.

But, this is another example of my inexperience - so dont be shy, give me your recommendations! Should I make the outside light more yellow? Should I change all the flouro lights to be slightly blueish? What settings do you use to good effect?

Thanks for the input fellas.

o_donny · 06-15-2005, 07:39 AM

I'll go test that bsp and that one texture file. I'll add my input then

Looks interesting.

o_morrow · 06-29-2005, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RusH

Edit - also included two outside screenies. You can see how dense the fog is, this is intentional as I want a really filthy, industrial feel that would make you want to cough if you played it... but maybe this is a mistake, I would love opinions/advice

http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2chem_alpha20000.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2chem_alpha20001.jpg

it looks savigly sweet dont get me wrong. I just started learning how to map (not even a week ago) and this is my offical post on Fortress Forever (it wont be the last as this game gives me a boner)

but when haveing 16+ players on a server with high textures and quality maps. the Smog will just cause alot of lag on its own. sure it looks savage for single player. or like 5on5 it would be cool and stuff. but when its a huge battle. that will jsut drain the fps off people. looks really sweet tho.

maybe if you either moved it. so it only fog effect over the bridge.. or even above so its like LA. and the sky is all yellow and just gross looking.

Dont get me wrong man your map is deff Stiffy worthy. maybe if FF. gave the option for people running servers / map have like a detail setting. or even players.

*EDIT* you might want to re texture the canyons walls. as looking back at the screens when you pan out or what ever it looks almost tield and just looks crummy.

o_azlan · 06-29-2005, 06:25 AM

It's pretty hard to say right now if the fog will cause lag problems or not. That largely depends on what's happening on screen, I assume. Regardless, it's doubtful that 2chemfort will be map that's played in leagues, so I doubt it will matter.

I think the fog is tight, btw, as you don't see many maps using it. Personally, I think you should make the fog look like it's coming from the water, i.e. industrial waste in the water.

o_morrow · 06-29-2005, 06:30 AM

still wouldnt have to be a leauge map. as not many leauges out there do a 20on20.

alot of public servers how ever may run it. thats where the lag issue is. i always hated going in a server doing a sweet custom map only to have 12 people join after me just lag everything down hardcore.

mind you now with source lag is baisicly serverside issue now. not everyones issue (besides having to try and kill the person that ports all over the place)

might want to i dont know make it so the doors on the 2nd floor or what ever it is is less noticble. on the bridge they show up as white squares thru the fog/smog.

o_rush · 06-29-2005, 06:47 AM

Thanks for the interest Morrow.

There are already a whole heap of modifications I need to make to optimize this map. Things I just wasn't aware of when I started it - I hate to think how much more I dont know

Basically I need to alter a whole lot of brushes to simplify them, then I have to change the water to optimise that - too much gets rendered that the player doesn't see. Then I have to start using the nodraw texture and the func_detail entitiy on brushes a whole lot.

These are just basic, common sense optimisations - without even looking at things like env_fog which might makes matters just so much worse!

But right now, I'm gonna wait until FF gets released, so I can apply all the correct team-based textures/logos. Then I'm gonna get some beta-testing done and tweak it 'til it plays really well.

o_kayuni · 06-29-2005, 07:05 AM

Very nice! I liked it. The fog lagged horribly for 5 seconds, then my normal FPS came back, and stayed steady as me and my friend played catch with the bicycles you conveniently placed. The catch was fun, since the map is so high, we could throw almost vertical. The catch rocked until I went for the last catch. He threw it high and I looked up, then he killed me with a rocket.

**mervaka** · 06-29-2005, 10:14 AM

wow.... for a first map... just wow :o im nowhere near worthy of that standard

are u sure u havnt mapped before? :p or do u mean for hl2?

06-08-2005, 06:11 AM	#21
o_valk Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	upload to ozfort gallery www.ozfortress.com/gallery

06-08-2005, 07:45 AM	#22
o_rush Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Gimme a day or so and I will post some more, with a little more work done.

06-08-2005, 07:50 AM	#23
o_jerm Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aotearoa, New Zealand Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://www.ozfortress.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=10

06-08-2005, 09:29 AM	#24
o_rush Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for that jerm

06-08-2005, 12:07 PM	#25
o_valk Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeh its too tall the proportions are out

06-09-2005, 05:18 AM	#26
o_racer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I havent tried the map but form the two pictures it was looking awesome. I loved the extra dark and foggy feel. If there are multiple routes snipers and other issues may not affect the gameplay. I would suggest worrying about reducing the fog after you've seen how it pubbed. keep it dark and sureal, a totally unique vision of Chems map. your map is the most sinister of all the ff maps so far dont looose that effect please

06-13-2005, 11:19 AM	#27
o_rush Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Now I have finally managed to fix the height of the second level. I had to bite the bullet and just shift/change everything. This of course added heaps of leaks etc. Add the compile time (around 3 hours) and it gets harder to finalise the details! I have left the overall height (sniper deck and map "roof") as being higher then the original. This is on purpose, cause I think it looks a lot better, but wont impact too much on gameplay. This is opposed to the internal/ramp level, where the height was wrong cause I am just too noob Anyway, this map is about where I would want it to be if I was in beta phase. So here is the "beta": http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...ilt_alpha3.bsp and some screenies. http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha1.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha2.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha3.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha4.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha5.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha6.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha7.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha8.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...hem_alpha9.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...em_alpha10.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...em_alpha11.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...em_alpha12.jpg http://www.users.on.net/~brichards/2...em_alpha13.jpg Again, any comments are gonna be very kindly appreciated

06-14-2005, 03:37 PM	#28
o_bluppfisk Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	v. nice sir! honestly, the sniper rifle laser should be visible in the thick fog, that would look so cool and make it easier to find them as well. zwoing laser passes, shining in your eye for a moment zwoing laser goes the other way zwoing laser burns in your eye and turns half of your screen lasery-red POP.

06-14-2005, 06:53 PM	#29
o_[wtf?]chemical burn Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	btw, I didn't make that map.

06-14-2005, 07:19 PM	#30
o_player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	He made chemfort. Maybe you could use a blend texture for your rocks? They look too repetitive.

06-14-2005, 09:00 PM	#31
o_shadow34721 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	don't use pure white light. not sure if it is 255 255 255, but it does look like it... makes the lighting seem a bit... off. lighting makes or breaks a map visually (that and bad geometry, but thats not the issue here)

06-15-2005, 07:39 AM	#34
o_donny Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'll go test that bsp and that one texture file. I'll add my input then Looks interesting.

06-29-2005, 06:25 AM	#36
o_azlan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's pretty hard to say right now if the fog will cause lag problems or not. That largely depends on what's happening on screen, I assume. Regardless, it's doubtful that 2chemfort will be map that's played in leagues, so I doubt it will matter. I think the fog is tight, btw, as you don't see many maps using it. Personally, I think you should make the fog look like it's coming from the water, i.e. industrial waste in the water.

06-29-2005, 06:30 AM	#37
o_morrow Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	still wouldnt have to be a leauge map. as not many leauges out there do a 20on20. alot of public servers how ever may run it. thats where the lag issue is. i always hated going in a server doing a sweet custom map only to have 12 people join after me just lag everything down hardcore. mind you now with source lag is baisicly serverside issue now. not everyones issue (besides having to try and kill the person that ports all over the place) might want to i dont know make it so the doors on the 2nd floor or what ever it is is less noticble. on the bridge they show up as white squares thru the fog/smog.

06-29-2005, 06:47 AM	#38
o_rush Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the interest Morrow. There are already a whole heap of modifications I need to make to optimize this map. Things I just wasn't aware of when I started it - I hate to think how much more I dont know Basically I need to alter a whole lot of brushes to simplify them, then I have to change the water to optimise that - too much gets rendered that the player doesn't see. Then I have to start using the nodraw texture and the func_detail entitiy on brushes a whole lot. These are just basic, common sense optimisations - without even looking at things like env_fog which might makes matters just so much worse! But right now, I'm gonna wait until FF gets released, so I can apply all the correct team-based textures/logos. Then I'm gonna get some beta-testing done and tweak it 'til it plays really well.

06-29-2005, 07:05 AM	#39
o_kayuni Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Very nice! I liked it. The fog lagged horribly for 5 seconds, then my normal FPS came back, and stayed steady as me and my friend played catch with the bicycles you conveniently placed. The catch was fun, since the map is so high, we could throw almost vertical. The catch rocked until I went for the last catch. He threw it high and I looked up, then he killed me with a rocket.

06-29-2005, 10:14 AM	#40
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	wow.... for a first map... just wow :o im nowhere near worthy of that standard are u sure u havnt mapped before? :p or do u mean for hl2?

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