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Circuitous · 01-31-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Question: Can we test more of the Handheld type concs when you don't jump on the ground? I often run past enemy defenses and hold my conc so I don't have to aim it at them all the time, instead just running past them. This is a good fake out tactic because if they don't see the conc, they're less likely to try to dodge it.

...you've got beta, test the hell out of it.

I think I don't fully get your meaning.

Some suggestions that were made concerning the mini-concajump:

allow it to be toggled (via cvar or checkbox)
jump doesn't function if you hold still

Okay so two suggestions.

Private_Joker · 01-31-2008, 12:18 AM

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j/k, I'm stoked for reals.

Ridiculous mobility of conc+mancannon and IC+flamethrower worries me a bit, but I'll just drink my fears away.

Also,

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

allow it to be toggled (via cvar or checkbox)
jump doesn't function if you hold still

Do want.

-Joker

**squeek.** · 01-31-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Private_Joker

Ridiculous mobility of conc+mancannon and IC+flamethrower worries me a bit, but I'll just drink my fears away.

-Joker

Conc+mancannon will not be possible, or at least not in the capacity shown in the videos.

IC/nade + flamethrower gives a big boost but is very slow. He is an easy target while jetpacking around.

Vicious · 01-31-2008, 12:21 AM

What about concing while in the air from the jump pad?

**squeek.** · 01-31-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicious

What about concing while in the air from the jump pad?

That's the only way to get a big boost from it (it's essentially an auto-double conc, but with even more power). It will not be possible in the future. The idea right now is that player speed after hitting a mancannon/jump pad will be capped.

Circuitous · 01-31-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicious

What about concing while in the air from the jump pad?

The crux of the issue!

We're still debating how to fix it. Using a preset speed (so it's not a huge advantage), disallowing concs until landing, not allowing scouts or medics to even use the thing...

If you have any thoughts let us know.

there's nothing here · 01-31-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

In my eyes, this patch will set it apart. At least apart from TFC. Pyro will see a huge boost in usage in all modes of play. Diverse offense will see the light of day. Medic can now heal effectively, even while on O. If these changes aren't enough, there's always the ideas & suggestions forum. It seems people don't want truly significant change though, judging by the 3-slot system thread.

Yuuup. But I still think it should be considered. Change can be good.

But it can also be bad when ya hold too tightly onto something, and try to change it at the same time. Eventually, ideas will be tapped out.

Innovation! Rawrrr.. that was the word I was looking for. Lol @ Circ.

Private_Joker · 01-31-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

not allowing scouts or medics to even use the thing...

This one actually strikes me as the most viable.. I like it because it means that Scouts will use them to help their teammates, or not at all. No disadvantage to the selfish Scout, but the more cooperative team still comes out ahead

-Joker

**squeek.** · 01-31-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Private_Joker

This one actually strikes me as the most viable.. I like it because it means that Scouts will use them to help their teammates, or not at all.

-Joker

The problem with that is that pubbers will lean towards the not at all.

Private_Joker · 01-31-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

The problem with that is that pubbers will lean towards the not at all.

Exactly. So, the virtuous players who get it through their head to cooperate with their team will have the advantage. Eventually pubbers will learn of the advantage and start using it, and the spirit of cooperation will thrive

-Joker

Circuitous · 01-31-2008, 12:37 AM

That, or "WTF SCOUT WE NEED A MANCANNON GET ON IT" + friendly fire until he complies.

Iggy · 01-31-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

The crux of the issue!

We're still debating how to fix it. Using a preset speed (so it's not a huge advantage), disallowing concs until landing, not allowing scouts or medics to even use the thing...

If you have any thoughts let us know.

I still think there should be a way of "unlocking" that skill for certain conc-maps. Think of the possibility! Of course, a way to prevent it on some maps, even though it can be as much of a liability as it can an assistant.

We are also aware that there will be new "Pyro Skillz" maps to come. Personally, I'm looking forward to them.

**squeek.** · 01-31-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Private_Joker

Exactly. So, the virtuous players who get it through their head to cooperate with their team will have the advantage. Eventually pubbers will learn of the advantage and start using it, and the spirit of cooperation will thrive

-Joker

I've never found a true pub player (as in would never think of ever playing competitively and has never tried before) that cared about flag caps/teamwork.

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

That, or "WTF SCOUT WE NEED A MANCANNON GET ON IT" + friendly fire until he changes class or leaves the server.

Fixed.

Circuitous · 01-31-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

I've never found a true pub player (as in would never think of ever playing competitively and has never tried before) that cared about flag caps/teamwork.

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Private_Joker · 01-31-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

That, or "WTF SCOUT WE NEED A MANCANNON GET ON IT" + friendly fire until he complies.

Yeah...gotta love pubbers.

-Joker

Pon · 01-31-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

I've never found a true pub player (as in would never think of ever playing competitively and has never tried before) that cared about flag caps/teamwork.

Hi! Nice to meet you squeek!

EDIT: Circ.. damn you... I'm getting slow in my old age

there's nothing here · 01-31-2008, 12:41 AM

Ohhhhh Circ? Post some new SG pron will ya?

Circuitous · 01-31-2008, 12:41 AM

Why not? Watch this space.

Focksbot · 01-31-2008, 12:42 AM

What about the Demoman? Just shorter fuse?

I was expecting those physics to be put in there just to make them look nice when they tumble at the very least.

But so far it's good, making a shorter fuse on the blue grenades will make them a little more useable. Less range but that's why you use motes.

**squeek.** · 01-31-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

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Originally Posted by Pon

Hi! Nice to meet you squeek!

I've met two pubbers that care about flag caps/teamwork.

01-31-2008, 12:37 AM	#31
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	That, or "WTF SCOUT WE NEED A MANCANNON GET ON IT" + friendly fire until he complies. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

01-31-2008, 12:41 AM	#38
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Why not? Watch this space. __________________ Look at all those dead links. Last edited by Circuitous; 01-31-2008 at 01:08 AM.

01-31-2008, 12:21 AM	#24
Vicious Nothing left to believe in Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What about concing while in the air from the jump pad?

01-31-2008, 12:41 AM	#37
there's nothing here lol Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halfway sprawled out of a cardboard box at the bottom of a flight of stairs. Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Ohhhhh Circ? Post some new SG pron will ya?

01-31-2008, 12:42 AM	#39
Focksbot Ambassador of Everything. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What about the Demoman? Just shorter fuse? I was expecting those physics to be put in there just to make them look nice when they tumble at the very least. But so far it's good, making a shorter fuse on the blue grenades will make them a little more useable. Less range but that's why you use motes.

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