anti-jump mod? Question. - Page 2

groovyf · 10-05-2007, 09:59 PM

That was my point too. I couldn't care less how SME runs his servers, but the plain fact is, bunnyhop in FF isn't a cheat nor an exploit.

SME · 10-05-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by groovyf

That was my point too. I couldn't care less how SME runs his servers, but the plain fact is, bunnyhop in FF isn't a cheat nor an exploit.

To you, it isn't. To me, it is. You don't get to decide for me. Get it?

Etzell · 10-05-2007, 10:41 PM

Define an exploit, please.

Lost · 10-05-2007, 10:41 PM

I don't even see the reason behind blocking bhop now. Its not as if it gives a massive advantage and you can still trimp just fine off ramps if only to a certain point. This seems to be a holdover from TFC anti-bhop. But meh, whatever. If no one plays there, then no one can complain.

groovyf · 10-05-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SME

To you, it isn't. To me, it is. You don't get to decide for me. Get it?

Way to miss the point.

An exploit is something being manipulated in the game engine that wasn't supposed to be there... this would be TFC, and I'm not going to argue there as that's been done to death.

But this is FF now, where it is part of the engine, part of the game, therefore there's nothing to exploit.
Irrespective of whether you think it is an exploit, by the very definition of exploit it clearly isn't one.

SME · 10-05-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost

I don't even see the reason behind blocking bhop now. Its not as if it gives a massive advantage and you can still trimp just fine off ramps if only to a certain point.

It's not that it gives a "massive" advantage, it's that it gives "any" advantage, at all, imo. It has nothing to do with TFC, other than it may have been discovered there. I don't allow it in ANY of my servers, even non-fortress servers.

Hope that helps.

groovyf · 10-05-2007, 10:53 PM

I can clearly see you want players on your server to fight each on on an even playing field, which I have no beef with.

Hammock · 10-05-2007, 10:54 PM

You honestly can't call what's in FF bhopping anyways. It doesn't even work the same. There's no vast difference in speed between someone running forward and jumping forward. Don't believe me? Take two meds side by side and race them, your so called bhopping med will win by like 10 feet maybe

Even the way it's designed now, the only thing it really lets you do is keep the speed you have gotten from some external force propelling for a few more hops, then you slow right down to normal speed.

I don't miss bhopping from tfc, personally this method they've made is far more fair, as anyone can do it by releasing and simpley holding the space bar before you've made contact with the ground. Seriously a monkey can figure it out (a dumb retarded monkey).

These servers I've played on with it, haven't hindered my speed one bit, since it takes 7 jumps to kick in, I figure 5-6 jumps is about the time it takes me to slow down to normal speed anyways.

So what is the application stopping then since it's redundant to stop a non existent bhop? It hinders double jumps off inclines to 2nd levels, a new feature built into the game (unless you consider this an exploit). It also takes away any agility/dodging/juking manuevers you might want to do.

Neither side really makes a lot of sense in this arguement.

a) the people who claim bhopping is part of the game and should be left unhindered
b) the people who still think it's a cheat

Because the way the FF dev team made this thing you can't really call it bhopping at all. It is its own unique method.

But I guess if you really want to hinder double jumps, and jump+duck movements then this application is definately doing its job.

Cheers,
Hammock

SME · 10-05-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by groovyf

An exploit is something being manipulated in the game engine that wasn't supposed to be there... this would be TFC, and I'm not going to argue there as that's been done to death.

But this is FF now, where it is part of the engine, part of the game, therefore there's nothing to exploit.
Irrespective of whether you think it is an exploit, by the very definition of exploit it clearly isn't one.

I don't care if it's intentionally included or not, the effect is the same, it's a speed cheat. You can say it's a speed cheat that the devs wanted in the game but the fact remains the same, it gives an advantage and I don't allow it on any of my servers.

Paft · 10-05-2007, 11:06 PM

I would block shotguns if I had the funds to run a server.

Bunny hop and movement is the blood and sole of TF game play..WTF are you doing.?! :O...

You refuse to play FF how it's meant to be played. And attempt to Nerf it because you suck, sad.

PS that isn't elitist talk nor do I think I am, I'm just saying it like it is.

Player · 10-05-2007, 11:06 PM

SME, you are absolutely ridiculous...

SME · 10-05-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Player

SME, you are absolutely ridiculous...

You are absolutely ignored.

Credge · 10-05-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TriaD

{NFO}*{NFO-FORTRESS}*{NFO}www.nfo-clan.com
8.2.122.202:27015

I have noticed this as well on the server. Being a member, I'm rather confused about it. During practice it wasn't in place, but otherwise it's on.

I'll talk to the server guys.

EDIT: SME, could you explain how it's a speed cheat when it is part of the games mechanics? Would a class only ability, such as sprint, in games like WoW be considered a speed cheat because not everyone gets it?

zSilver_Fox · 10-05-2007, 11:44 PM

He believes that because it gives an advantage, it's a cheat/exploit.

May as well ban conca jumping. SME is an awkward fellow to put it simply. Anyone who disagrees with him goes on ignore. Anyone who makes a remotely possibly offensive comment that may offend the most sensitive person in the world is put on his ignore. Quite the sheltered "Everyone is the same" life imo...

[AE] 5316 *TKZ* · 10-05-2007, 11:48 PM

I don't see why my clans server is posted on there. I bunny hop around it all day and don't ever notice anything stopping my movement. I'll talk to our chief server administrator and have it looked into.

In the mean time, I would appreciate that our server is removed from the post above. It is never our intention to fragment the community, and AE fully supports the bunnyhop built into FF.

CrazyCro · 10-06-2007, 12:10 AM

Until today I was unaware of this issue on my server. We at NFO also support the bhop built into the FF engine. It was an unintentional block built into Detox. As of this post it has been disabled to fully allow all functionality within the game. Thanks to {NFO}Credge for bringing it to our attention.

TriaD · 10-06-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by [AE] 5316 *TKZ*

I don't see why my clans server is posted on there. I bunny hop around it all day and don't ever notice anything stopping my movement. I'll talk to our chief server administrator and have it looked into.

In the mean time, I would appreciate that our server is removed from the post above. It is never our intention to fragment the community, and AE fully supports the bunnyhop built into FF.

And it is not my intention to defame your server or make assumptions. I am simply stating the facts from servers I have experienced this on. I did test all these servers before I posted and all had the same problems after 7-8 jumps. The whole point of this thread was to gather information on why this was happening, and if your server owner cares to fix the problem.. then more power to them.

I will also not remove the servers listed, there is no shame admiting there was a problem and then taking the proper procedures to remedy said problem. I fully condone everyone play on these servers if they so like.

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Originally Posted by {NFO}CrazyCro

Until today I was unaware of this issue on my server. We at NFO also support the bhop built into the FF engine. It was an unintentional block built into Detox. As of this post it has been disabled to fully allow all functionality within the game. Thanks to {NFO}Credge for bringing it to our attention.

I thank you as well for removing the anti-bhop. And im sorry you had to find out this information like you did. Now that everyone knows its the detox plugin all future incidence's can be handled in a more discrete manner.

Ihmhi · 10-06-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by [AE] 5316 *TKZ*

I don't see why my clans server is posted on there. I bunny hop around it all day and don't ever notice anything stopping my movement. I'll talk to our chief server administrator and have it looked into.

In the mean time, I would appreciate that our server is removed from the post above. It is never our intention to fragment the community, and AE fully supports the bunnyhop built into FF.

Yeah I was wondering about that, you guys are cool as space penguins.

SME · 10-06-2007, 01:47 AM

See, I'm even willing to help those that want to bhop fix their servers. I just don't want it on *my* servers and that's all that counts.

417 · 10-06-2007, 02:56 AM

In response to this thread and our server being a target of it I have temporarily disabled the anti-cheat feature which is blocking the built in BH featured in FF.

We have already had multiple players using speed hacks in our server. Now our admins instead of being able to just play and let the plug-in regulate speed hackers our they will have to stop playing, go to into spectator mode, watch the player and then manually ban the player.

Hopefully Detox build a variable into the next update which will make it where speed hack cheats can be detected by FF's BH can still be allowed.

10-05-2007, 10:41 PM	#24
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I don't even see the reason behind blocking bhop now. Its not as if it gives a massive advantage and you can still trimp just fine off ramps if only to a certain point. This seems to be a holdover from TFC anti-bhop. But meh, whatever. If no one plays there, then no one can complain. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

10-05-2007, 11:06 PM	#30
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	I would block shotguns if I had the funds to run a server. Bunny hop and movement is the blood and sole of TF game play..WTF are you doing.?! :O... You refuse to play FF how it's meant to be played. And attempt to Nerf it because you suck, sad. PS that isn't elitist talk nor do I think I am, I'm just saying it like it is. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 10-05-2007 at 11:23 PM.

10-05-2007, 11:44 PM	#34
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	He believes that because it gives an advantage, it's a cheat/exploit. May as well ban conca jumping. SME is an awkward fellow to put it simply. Anyone who disagrees with him goes on ignore. Anyone who makes a remotely possibly offensive comment that may offend the most sensitive person in the world is put on his ignore. Quite the sheltered "Everyone is the same" life imo... __________________ I have a nasopharyngeal and webcam... First infraction! Flaming!

10-05-2007, 11:48 PM	#35
[AE] 5316 TKZ D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Class/Position: Medic - O Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [AE] Asseater Clan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I don't see why my clans server is posted on there. I bunny hop around it all day and don't ever notice anything stopping my movement. I'll talk to our chief server administrator and have it looked into. In the mean time, I would appreciate that our server is removed from the post above. It is never our intention to fragment the community, and AE fully supports the bunnyhop built into FF. __________________ ================================================== \| [AE] Clan \| Rated R - Langauge/Violence/Adult Themes ICQ #:151482789 * AIM: fl4shbang * Y!: greerjt2000 ==================================================

10-06-2007, 02:56 AM	#40
417 SGM Division ****** Wiki Team Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Class/Position: Defensive Gametype: Capture The Flag Affiliations: [SG-X] Clan - http://www.sg-x.info Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	In response to this thread and our server being a target of it I have temporarily disabled the anti-cheat feature which is blocking the built in BH featured in FF. We have already had multiple players using speed hacks in our server. Now our admins instead of being able to just play and let the plug-in regulate speed hackers our they will have to stop playing, go to into spectator mode, watch the player and then manually ban the player. Hopefully Detox build a variable into the next update which will make it where speed hack cheats can be detected by FF's BH can still be allowed. __________________ [SG-X] Clan - SGM Division leader ICQ #: 154706095 * E-mail * IRC: irc.gamesurge.net #sgm & #[sg-x]

10-05-2007, 09:59 PM	#21
groovyf In the clouds Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halifax, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That was my point too. I couldn't care less how SME runs his servers, but the plain fact is, bunnyhop in FF isn't a cheat nor an exploit.

10-05-2007, 10:41 PM	#23
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Define an exploit, please.

10-05-2007, 10:53 PM	#27
groovyf In the clouds Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halifax, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I can clearly see you want players on your server to fight each on on an even playing field, which I have no beef with.

10-05-2007, 10:54 PM	#28
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	You honestly can't call what's in FF bhopping anyways. It doesn't even work the same. There's no vast difference in speed between someone running forward and jumping forward. Don't believe me? Take two meds side by side and race them, your so called bhopping med will win by like 10 feet maybe Even the way it's designed now, the only thing it really lets you do is keep the speed you have gotten from some external force propelling for a few more hops, then you slow right down to normal speed. I don't miss bhopping from tfc, personally this method they've made is far more fair, as anyone can do it by releasing and simpley holding the space bar before you've made contact with the ground. Seriously a monkey can figure it out (a dumb retarded monkey). These servers I've played on with it, haven't hindered my speed one bit, since it takes 7 jumps to kick in, I figure 5-6 jumps is about the time it takes me to slow down to normal speed anyways. So what is the application stopping then since it's redundant to stop a non existent bhop? It hinders double jumps off inclines to 2nd levels, a new feature built into the game (unless you consider this an exploit). It also takes away any agility/dodging/juking manuevers you might want to do. Neither side really makes a lot of sense in this arguement. a) the people who claim bhopping is part of the game and should be left unhindered b) the people who still think it's a cheat Because the way the FF dev team made this thing you can't really call it bhopping at all. It is its own unique method. But I guess if you really want to hinder double jumps, and jump+duck movements then this application is definately doing its job. Cheers, Hammock

10-05-2007, 11:06 PM	#31
Player D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	SME, you are absolutely ridiculous...

10-06-2007, 12:10 AM	#36
CrazyCro OLD-DEVILS Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NJ USA Class/Position: D Gametype: FPS Affiliations: OLD-DEVILS Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Until today I was unaware of this issue on my server. We at NFO also support the bhop built into the FF engine. It was an unintentional block built into Detox. As of this post it has been disabled to fully allow all functionality within the game. Thanks to {NFO}Credge for bringing it to our attention.

10-06-2007, 01:47 AM	#39
SME Damn lazy bastard Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: SoCal: USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	See, I'm even willing to help those that want to bhop fix their servers. I just don't want it on my servers and that's all that counts.

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