Something that can more people play Fortress Forever

[KubeDawg]

obviously yes. this game will one day be the bees knees among all the hip youngsters who decide that games like call of duty and tf2 are no longer considered 'fun'.

[CaptainAhab]

Popular by today's standards? No.

Grow over time? Possibly, but not likely.

Die off any time soon? No.

[WiFiDi]

Originally Posted by CaptainAhab

Popular by today's standards? No.

Grow over time? Possibly, but not likely.

Die off any time soon? No.

what he said ^

[Dylstew]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

obviously yes. this game will one day be the bees knees among all the hip youngsters who decide that games like call of duty and tf2 are no longer considered 'fun'.

Please don't ever compare TF2 with COD....

[KubeDawg]

TF2 sucks
COD sucks

Comparison made.

[Ronzui]

Been gone for a while, returning, realizing NG class is even shittier that before SG is way slower, Ng class even more difficult to play, Squeek says he never builds dispensers lol...wtf? new players come in want kills wanna play NG get their ass handed to them, leave...SGs blow seriously..cmon..

[CaptainAhab]

Originally Posted by Ronzui

new players come in want kills wanna play NG get their ass handed to them, leave...

The players who would do that aren't the type of people who would stick around and learn the intricacies of the game anyway.

[Fruitcake]

Engineer isn't free kills without aiming? Obviously terrible class design please buff. In all seriousness it's fine for some classes to be noob friendly but no class should be a crutch for ez kills. Even pyros and heavy aim. Engineer needs to help his sentry get the kills 90% of the time. If he doesn't aim and is still pwning you its your fault considering how easy it is to blow a sentry down.

[the_cake]

2.0 engie was exactly that and people didn't stick around. I can remember people on pubs literally going to the basement/flagroom, making a level 3 sg, and chatting about life on the mic for the rest of the game. Occasionally wrenching it and making a new one. Not even kidding.

[Features-]

Engineer is dependent on his team helping support his gun.. so it is not one of those classes you build a gun in the 'perfect' spot and just let it do the work for you. You have to constantly keep building and making the enemy work for flag movement while unloading all of their grenades/ammo on trying to take them down before they get the flag... also engineer is a lot more buffed in FF(charged rails almost killing enemies with full health/can build dispenser and level1 after re-spawning/recharging cells with rail-gun and automatic dispenser putting recharging ammo/cells) than it was in TFC.

[Iggy]

I think your first line indicates the heart of the problem:

Engineer is dependent on his team helping support his gun..

I accented the core word in that statement. FF has a similar player base to TFC. For competitive play, Engy is nearly spot on. For pubs, not so much.

In a pub setting, you can't be dependent on other players, because it lacks the organization. Does that make it a problem with the Engy? Partially. All classes should be strong enough to play alone, but better with the right support.

That's the issue, I think. It's too easy to defeat a lone engineer, unless he's highly skilled. Something "new" players obviously aren't.

[FDA_Approved]

Engi isn't really that dependent on team mates in a pub. I've found generally in pubs even having team mates is enough help. No guns obviously going to last forever, but you shouldn't have any problem getting one up and doing some work with it.

[chicken]

Please fix the hanging steam validation and hl2.exe crashes. Whenever I feel like playing it ends up crashing or doesn't launch at all and just hangs on the validating files window so I just play tfc or tf2 instead. I've also been getting huge fps spikes since the 2.46 update which makes it unplayable.

[FDA_Approved]

Originally Posted by chicken

Please fix the hanging steam validation and hl2.exe crashes. Whenever I feel like playing it ends up crashing or doesn't launch at all and just hangs on the validating files window so I just play tfc or tf2 instead. I've also been getting huge fps spikes since the 2.46 update which makes it unplayable.

Maybe you should try reinstalling? I hate to say it but I don't think anyone really runs into any of these problems. I haven't heard of anyone else complain of these mystery fps spikes of yours. And for me personally FF doesn't crash any more than any other steam game, which is once in a rare while.

[ddm999]

You can't just say 'other Steam games' because the quality of those other Steam games varies wildly like a bitch. You have good games, good games with a few bugs (dammit XCOM: EU, I got really pissed at the couple of spelling mistakes in the last mission), and horrible games which are only on Steam because whoever Valve employs to decide who uses Greenlight and who is forwarded straight to Steam is a complete fucking retard.

Anyway, chicken, all Source games have random crashes all the fcking time though, and your comment about validating files doesn't make sense to me...

You either mean you get disconnected from a server due to Steam validation failure, which happens about once a decade to people and is easy to fix, or that Steam comes up and says it needs to validate files when you try to play the game, which shouldn't happen in the first place because Fortress Forever is a mod, meaning it doesn't use .GCF files and CAN'T be validated.

I've never heard of FPS spikes, but my PC is kinda good, and I always have 200 - 300 FPS.

Anyway, Engineer is a team dependent class based on his own attributes throughout every Fortress game. His main damage dealer is a static turret that is susceptible to longer range attacks, and can also be strafed around to dodge.

If you think about it, most defensive classes ARE.

HWGuy needs to be able to get to his killing spot as fast as possible, and is slow and susceptible to backstabs when firing his AC,
Demoman is quite weak, and relies on people to keep him alive while he sets up pipes and detonates them.

Soldier is the least team dependent, as he is the fastest defensive class when used well, the quickest killer when used well, but that's the thing, "used well".

Oh, and Sniper and Pyro are just ignorant pricks and no-one gives a fcking shit.

Also, I assume dependent is American, prolly? And therefore dependant is British. Because Chrome doesn't say either are wrong spellings. CONFUSING.
I prefer dependent, though. Dependant seems like it would be de-pendant, which would be removing a pendant from someone. Well, I just brought the English language into a forum on the internet to do with video games. Bye bye.

[chicken]

Originally Posted by ddm999

You can't just say 'other Steam games' because the quality of those other Steam games varies wildly like a bitch. You have good games, good games with a few bugs (dammit XCOM: EU, I got really pissed at the couple of spelling mistakes in the last mission), and horrible games which are only on Steam because whoever Valve employs to decide who uses Greenlight and who is forwarded straight to Steam is a complete fucking retard.

Anyway, chicken, all Source games have random crashes all the fcking time though, and your comment about validating files doesn't make sense to me...

You either mean you get disconnected from a server due to Steam validation failure, which happens about once a decade to people and is easy to fix, or that Steam comes up and says it needs to validate files when you try to play the game, which shouldn't happen in the first place because Fortress Forever is a mod, meaning it doesn't use .GCF files and CAN'T be validated.

I've never heard of FPS spikes, but my PC is kinda good, and I always have 200 - 300 FPS.

Anyway, Engineer is a team dependent class based on his own attributes throughout every Fortress game. His main damage dealer is a static turret that is susceptible to longer range attacks, and can also be strafed around to dodge.

If you think about it, most defensive classes ARE.

HWGuy needs to be able to get to his killing spot as fast as possible, and is slow and susceptible to backstabs when firing his AC,
Demoman is quite weak, and relies on people to keep him alive while he sets up pipes and detonates them.

Soldier is the least team dependent, as he is the fastest defensive class when used well, the quickest killer when used well, but that's the thing, "used well".

Oh, and Sniper and Pyro are just ignorant pricks and no-one gives a fcking shit.

Also, I assume dependent is American, prolly? And therefore dependant is British. Because Chrome doesn't say either are wrong spellings. CONFUSING.
I prefer dependent, though. Dependant seems like it would be de-pendant, which would be removing a pendant from someone. Well, I just brought the English language into a forum on the internet to do with video games. Bye bye.

I get this problem over half the time I try to launch it, http://i42.tinypic.com/20z5q9h.jpg It just ends up with saying steam servers are busy and doesn't launch.

[FDA_Approved]

Originally Posted by ddm999

You can't just say 'other Steam games' because...

Source mods, w/e.

I get this problem over half the time I try to launch it, http://i42.tinypic.com/20z5q9h.jpg It just ends up with saying steam servers are busy and doesn't launch.

Reinstall.

[Oreoman]

needs more CP/AVD maps those just seem to be more pub friendly cuz they can just handle much more players

also pls do buff engy i would absolutely just love that

[CaptainAhab]

AvD FTW!

[KubeDawg]

Originally Posted by Oreoman

needs more CP/AVD maps those just seem to be more pub friendly cuz they can just handle much more players

also pls do buff engy i would absolutely just love that

I'm not sure I agree. CTF maps can handle just as many players. It's just that we've gotten used to the OvD style gameplay for so long due to the relatively small player base that it has become the norm. We need to encourage more people to play a regular style CTF game where both teams have offense and defense and doing that can often make CTF maps just as fun as AVD.