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Marriage is a Right? Really? A Right? If the Gov't is "granting" it...it's not a right. Gov't can only convey privileges.
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08-07-2010, 06:55 PM | #23 |
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No, marriage is not a right, but equal protection under the law, aka, the 14th amendment, is.
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Who's being protected and from who's attacking them?
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08-08-2010, 03:38 AM | #25 |
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Sound the stupid alarm.
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08-08-2010, 07:15 AM | #26 |
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Marriage in this country is currently a legal institution. Marriage constitutes thousands of legal and civil benefits. Gays are not given these benefits, because by law, they are not allowed to marry. Therefore, they are not being treated equally under the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.
Also, if you really need to ask who's 'attacking them', well, I'm not sure what to say. The answer is pretty obvious. Closed-minded bigots who come up with paralogisms to defend the indefensible (preventing gays from marrying).
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"Right" is a loaded word with specific meaning. You might want to consider moving towards reasonable and rational contributions to threads.
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You're the one who keeps bringing up 'rights', not me. This is the second or third time I've pointed out that this has nothing to do with rights, but instead, equal protection under the law. The plain, and simple fact is, the Government creates special privileges, using the law, and they deny those very privileges to homosexual couples. They are being unfairly treated. If you're a strict constructionist, you would see that outlawing gay marriage is a clear violation of the Constitution. If Government completely got rid of all special benefits involved with marriage, then gays would not be treated unequally under the law. However, since the Government is involved with saying who can and can't get married, and what benefits you can and can't get depending on your marriage status, it is a clear breach of the Constitution.
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Better ask the guys who wrote this:
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The government isn't granting rights; it is restoring those which were unfairly taken.
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Those of you continuing with the insults and immature posts can carry on ITT without me.
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Curious who these mystery posters are...?
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I guess I must be in the minority, but... what's the point of splitting hairs? If you don't think marriage is the government's business, I suggest campaigning to remove any benefit to being married. Tax breaks, adoption abilities, and so forth. If it's a veiled attempt to be against gay marriage without having to say it... may as well fess up.
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Really, if there weren't a ton of legal privileges that come with getting married, I'd probably never do it. I see no reason why it's necessary for me to support some out-dated institution to profess my love and solidarity for my partner. I think it's far more virtuous to simply be faithful without spending money on a wedding, ring, and putting a special title next to my name.
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I mean this next comment sincerely and not as an insult. Those who don't get or dismiss the difference between Right and Privilege make me wonder if they truly understand the differences and why it's important. You're right. It's probably time to update that.
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Which rights would those be? The ones Glenn Beck claims we are losing?
EDIT - As a side note, its "they're" Last edited by YomMamasHouse; 08-13-2010 at 08:31 AM. |
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