TFC really is dead

[o_returner]

Originally Posted by DoN Chico

Learn how to search for a good server(s).

I've said at least twice that there are only a few servers available, so I'm stuck with them. How difficult is this to understand? Should I write it a 100 times bolded and underlined so it gets through?

You probably go into a server and talk shit, and that is why you have these problems.

And what has caused you to make such a an incorrect and illogical conclusion? I don't talk on servers.

If you go into a server to have fun and just play, then you wouldn't really have a problem. Most of these campers or chasers suck anyways, so they don't bother me. I can kill them with ease. So if they bother you, I suggest you get better.

Your logic fails again.
- If having fun can make respawn campers, deathmachers and chasers magically go away, then obviously it should work againts cheaters as well. As everyone knows, it doesn't.
- Even if I was the most skilled player in the world, it still woudln't make chasers, deathmachers, respawn campers and psychotic medics to go away.

Common sense is encouraged.

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qbaler, whenever I join a server that has bots in it, there are two human players there, at best. Usually it's just bots and me.

[o_qbaler]

Your logic fails again.
- If having fun can make respawn campers, deathmachers and chasers magically go away, then obviously it should work againts cheaters as well. As everyone knows, it doesn't.
- Even if I was the most skilled player in the world, it still woudln't make chasers, deathmachers, respawn campers and psychotic medics to go away.

Common sense is encouraged.

obviously you do not know what he is talking about returner. Yes common since is encouraged so lets try some. He is absolutely NOT saying going to a server to have fun will get rid of that crap, everyone knows thats stupid, he is saying that it will allow you to ignore it and just have fun... and I encourage you to try this.. it works!

qbaler, whenever I join a server that has bots in it, there are two human players there, at best. Usually it's just bots and me.

All I am saying is ppl complain about bots.. 12 bots in a server will get more humans then 0 ppl in a server.

[o_fylox]

But nowadays is hard to join a bot filled server (12/24 i.e.) and not get bored waiting for human players. They usually never come! I think the bot servers no longer attract ppl, I usually see players in the most popular servers, and I think there are no bots.

All I am saying is ppl complain about bots.. 12 bots in a server will get more humans then 0 ppl in a server.

And it seems that 1 or 2 humans in a server attracts more ppl

[o_psycho_soldier]

Originally Posted by fyLoX

And it seems that 1 or 2 humans in a server attracts more ppl

He is right. I had a server with bots once for a week. Never filled up only had a few random players now and again and they quickly left. I removed the bots, went in the server by myself and usually within 30 mins there are 2 more people. Once you get 3 people in the server, the server filled up rather quickly. After 5 days, the server was constantly over 12 people on a 16 slot server.

[o_qbaler]

ok ok ill try no bots for a while. But I had 12 bots on a 24 man server and within 2 weeks it was packed full of ppl and they bumped out the bots. But ya there are downsides I guess to both.

[o_morgz]

tfc games still readily available :S

[o_aliased]

Hah, He said campers.. Maybe you should open your eyes I agree it is a smaller community than counter-strike but.. look at that game

[o_leffe]

Bot servers with only one slot for players are the win :) /sarcasm

A bot server should have no more than 6 bots in my opinion, any more and you will often have to fight against a scout bot and lose over and over again as a hwguy while he unloads his shotgun with 200% accuracy and 300% damage in you while you are trying to fly away.

The best solution if of course to not run bots and run players instead.

[o_lillbrorsan]

TFC aint dead!
/me tries to convince everyone

[o_laurana]

It might have started to die.... but that doesn't mean that it can't be reborn....


The greatest players were taught by SOMEBODY... or learned together... or just plain practiced like crazy... They had some sort of ideal to follow, however. Somebody.. somewhere... enforced a strict set of rules and they therefore knew those rules as the correct way to play. It's a cycle...

The problem is that a "generation" of players left... leaving a new "generation" to come up behind them with no real set of ideals.

If you have a problem with the way things are on other people's servers and care enough to do something about it... Start your own server... enforce your own rules.. and help create good players.... Just because somebody is doing something that wouldn't be considered right a few years ago on most servers doesn't mean that they're a dick (Of course, in a lot of cases it might).. It might just mean that they don't know, and were never taught any better....

In short... Try helping with the situation instead of belittling a group of people who have decided that THEY care enough to do something about it.

I say these words as respectively as possible.. and am not trying to "flame" you or your post in any way. I understand your frustrations, having been playing since the beginning myself... It's hard to see a good game go down... Even more so when said game is so much more than just a way to pass the time. It's a community... and with the death of any community (especially one you undoubtedly had a great part in) comes a sense of loss.


Feathers and Footsteps...

Laurana

[o_spud]

Some good and well written words really.

All true to some extent or other as well.

[o_storm]

The problem is that a "generation" of players left... leaving a new "generation" to come up behind them with no real set of ideals.

I personally don't agree with that, I dont think there was any major line where a generation of tfc'ers left. And I certainly dont think new players werent shown ideals. I believe it was more a case of old players becoming more picky about what was acceptable combined with frustration culminating in more restrictive rules more moaning and less laughing :P

[o_saintrancid-tpf-]

There should be only one rule in TF:

1.NO CHEATING or taking adavantage of map glitches.


anything else should be allowed.

anything in the game can be overcome with good teamplay.
if its a offensive HW or whatever else people complain about these days there is always another class that has an advantage. a hw guy in the open is an easy target for a sniper. and people always seem to forget about the pyro. a good pyro could whoop HW ass any day of the week.


all this talk makes me want to find a server and play. ihaven't played in years and i'll probally suck. but it will be fun. and isn't that why we all played in the first place? for fun?

[o_skrip00]

the problem is, TFC is not as fun anymore...

for me, its the weapons... theyre very lacking and far between. it makes me wish i can go back to weapons factory for quake 2.

[o_3xternal]

The only ones remaining are deathmatchers, campers, chasers and otherwise useless people.

^^^^^^^^
LIKE SNIPERS

I remember when thousands of servers were available and I got hosed but half a team. Now I get on, look at the 500 servers available, then log on and whup 90% of the players. While this may be a sympathy thread towards the death of TFC,I continue to play the Game. I beleive its b/c CS does not utilize 1/2 the skill of TFC and DOD is just ghey.

And NEOTF? Gimme a break. Some acid trippin freaks idea of TFC....It's dirty and unworthy.

[o_fylox]

Nah... forget the weapons factory this is TFC! I don't imagine how, or what (or wtf) TFC could be with different weapons...

TFC is dying, but it is not dead, we're still a croud of TFC players and we keep it alive. HAVOC and Source are a good chance to reborn.

[o_binarylife]

And NEOTF? Gimme a break. Some acid trippin freaks idea of TFC....It's dirty and unworthy.

Funny you should say that here......

But you're points are valid. Nowadays the people playing aren't concerned with the same things we are. They just want to hose down anyone and anything they can. If they're having fun then they don't care about no one else having fun. Bots are just annoying. I despise bots...a lot. (more)

[o_returner]

Originally Posted by Laurana

If you have a problem with the way things are on other people's servers and care enough to do something about it... Start your own server... enforce your own rules.. and help create good players.... Just because somebody is doing something that wouldn't be considered right a few years ago on most servers doesn't mean that they're a dick (Of course, in a lot of cases it might).. It might just mean that they don't know, and were never taught any better....

Running a TFC server on a 2mbps DSL line (that I need for other things) using a computer that is shut down most of the time doesn't seem like a good idea. That, and there wouldn't be any players.

In short... Try helping with the situation instead of belittling a group of people who have decided that THEY care enough to do something about it.

Care? Who? The players? They just play.

It's a community... and with the death of any community (especially one you undoubtedly had a great part in) comes a sense of loss.

What little interaction I had with the community over at Planetfortress convinced me that I should stay far, far away from it. They were possibly even more more retarded than the Counter-Strike community.

[o_0gr3]

Overall, i agree with you returner and some of the other opinions. I feel TFC has died and the older "generation" left, leaving the newer generation. Any server i join just doesnt have the same play as it did before. There are alot more "llamas" that spawn camp and spawn infect and all the bs. Also, another thing is that the skills community is almost dead. Most of the advanced players left...etc etc. Same old story everywehre. Oh well, the good times are gone.... Hopefully FF will be able to capture the atmosphere that TFC once had.

[o_krum]

Public servers have always been like that, if you want to play a different kind of team fortress classic, get into a clan and make sure its in a well-established league, then you will find out how good the game is