Over pressure. - Page 2

XPelargos · 10-27-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

I kinda like the idea of the OP damaging the HW. I can't believe that hasn't been discussed before.

Brilliant. I like this.

Trailer · 10-27-2012, 02:50 PM

FDA, the reason it damages the HW is because the AC sends a high voltage charge throughout the HW's fat body so powerful that it creates a shockwave.

KubeDawg · 10-27-2012, 05:08 PM

Basically, his own farts are so powerful they damage him.

FDA_Approved · 10-27-2012, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trailer

FDA, the reason it damages the HW is because the AC sends a high voltage charge throughout the HW's fat body so powerful that it creates a shockwave.

I'm convinced.

aleXtric · 10-28-2012, 06:11 PM

i thought it was a gas he emits when he goes super saiyan.

i dont mind OP i like the rage it gives me. dont get rid of it just tweak

FDA_Approved · 10-28-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aleXtric

i thought it was a gas he emits when he goes super saiyan.

i dont mind OP i like the rage it gives me. dont get rid of it just tweak

Alex is a tool don't listen to him.

moosh · 10-29-2012, 02:49 PM

I say remove overpressure and the slowgren and bring back the mirv and nailz but who listens to me?

Trailer · 10-29-2012, 04:52 PM

Don't remove it. Again, it hasn't changed any map cap averages, how is it that damaging? Grow a pair you nubs.

WiFiDi · 10-30-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trailer

Don't remove it. Again, it hasn't changed any map cap averages, how is it that damaging? Grow a pair you nubs.

i think it should reflect the momentum of the moving target going the opposite direction backwards so say a scout is going full speed and gets blasted back it goes flying backwards. but a soilder walking only gets pushed back a tiny amount. going slower only gets pushed back alittle. basically it uses momentum/speed of the current player and uses it Against it.

the one problem that it brings the opponent to a complete and total stop other than that i think that it is fine.

Prehaps a charge of electricity over the heavys body when he deploys mostly because it looks cool and people will stop calling it a heavy fart.

**Elmo** · 10-31-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WiFiDi

i think it should reflect the momentum of the moving target going the opposite direction backwards so say a scout is going full speed and gets blasted back it goes flying backwards. but a soilder walking only gets pushed back a tiny amount. going slower only gets pushed back alittle. basically it uses momentum/speed of the current player and uses it Against it.

the one problem that it brings the opponent to a complete and total stop other than that i think that it is fine.

Prehaps a charge of electricity over the heavys body when he deploys mostly because it looks cool and people will stop calling it a heavy fart.

You're basically saying it ought to work a bit more like the slowgren in how it reacts to player speed. No need to figure out any math for it as that's done. Could be worth a look-see

aleXtric · 11-02-2012, 02:29 AM

yeah but we were talking about making it less effective.. bouncing people across maps seems a bit ridiculous

Trailer · 11-02-2012, 02:32 AM

*Imagines front door Schtop defense if this was how overpressure worked* =)

WiFiDi · 11-02-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aleXtric

yeah but we were talking about making it less effective.. bouncing people across maps seems a bit ridiculous

to go along with what i previously stated, though i didn't actually write it down. would be the player hit by heavy fart would also be given some or all air control. so it could find a wall to slam against to stop it from going to far back or position one self better.

**Elmo** · 11-02-2012, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiFiDi

to go along with what i previously stated, though i didn't actually write it down. would be the player hit by heavy fart would also be given some or all air control. so it could find a wall to slam against to stop it from going to far back or position one self better.

speak you English?

FDA_Approved · 11-02-2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiFiDi

i think it should reflect the momentum of the moving target going the opposite direction backwards so say a scout is going full speed and gets blasted back it goes flying backwards. but a soilder walking only gets pushed back a tiny amount. going slower only gets pushed back alittle. basically it uses momentum/speed of the current player and uses it Against it.

the one problem that it brings the opponent to a complete and total stop other than that i think that it is fine.

Prehaps a charge of electricity over the heavys body when he deploys mostly because it looks cool and people will stop calling it a heavy fart.

God that would be 100% times worse than the current OP. Rofl. The most annoying part is the extreme change in velocity. Wether it's from 1000 to 0 instantly, or 1000 to 1000 in the complete opposite direction instantly. It either needs to work like knock back from explosives do. Or like the slow field, without speeding back up after hitting it. And it needs to be aimed.

Honestly it's just so broken. It's not really about how effective it is for the heavy. It's just the mechanics and interaction for it are fucking atrocious. It's so annoying because of how abrubt and harsh it is. It's like hitting a wall, nothing in this game is as jagged as OP is. Most things in this game seem to flow together well and create a fluid experience. OP greatly contrasts that, and offers you that rough and abrupt feeling. And nothing is a deffinitive shut out like OP is. You can take a rocket that pops you directly straight up, and still have hopes of making it into FR. Get hit with OP and really all you can do is stand there for the second it takes for you to get mowed down.

XPelargos · 11-02-2012, 10:52 PM

FDA speaks the truth.

A fundamental design philosophy that people differ on is:

Add more

vs

Remove more

I'm all for the latter. Removing caltrops, spy gas nade, is fine by me. I'd rather have fewer tools and less frustration than more tools and more frustration.

Trailer · 11-03-2012, 03:03 PM

What makes FDA rage more, overpressure or repeated tranqs?

KubeDawg · 11-03-2012, 03:38 PM

Tbh I'd rather have a working [Insert existing weapon/ability here] than removing features like largos suggests as well as rather than adding new features.

Basically, fix what is broke. Once that is done, THEN work on new ideas/mechanics/weapons/etcetcetc. But don't remove something unless there is very little chance to be able to fix it. The overpressure seems like a relatively easy fix, plus whatever magic squeek or the other devs do.

CaptainAhab · 11-03-2012, 03:57 PM

I agree, the flow of the game -- which is one of the most appealing aspects in my opinion -- is utterly ruined by overpressure.

Inhibiting the heavy in some way, shape, or form would be a good addition imo, whether it be some sort of blindness/conc effect/damage/whatever. When a scout is stopped dead in his tracks by overpressure, it's game over, the run is stopped right there. There needs to be a way for the scout to get out of the effects of overpressure while not making overpressure nearly useless. Possibly allow the person affected to maintain air control, and not have them stop dead in their tracks? Maybe have some sort of a crapola-oil effect for the heavy's screen like in Mario Kart when you run over oil? (lol) Dunno.

Trailer · 11-03-2012, 04:06 PM

Having a pop-up effect as well as reducing speed by 3/4 wouldn't be too bad. This would allow the scout to maintain air control while still making overpressure useful.

10-27-2012, 02:50 PM	#22
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	FDA, the reason it damages the HW is because the AC sends a high voltage charge throughout the HW's fat body so powerful that it creates a shockwave. __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

10-27-2012, 05:08 PM	#23
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Basically, his own farts are so powerful they damage him. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete Last edited by KubeDawg; 10-27-2012 at 05:08 PM.

10-28-2012, 06:11 PM	#25
aleXtric #FF.Pickup Dictator Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Detroit Gametype: ADL Affiliations: KiNGz . Posts Rated Helpful 100 Times	i thought it was a gas he emits when he goes super saiyan. i dont mind OP i like the rage it gives me. dont get rid of it just tweak __________________ !add #FF.Pickup - Quakenet http://www.ffpickup.com/?p=irc

10-29-2012, 02:49 PM	#27
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	I say remove overpressure and the slowgren and bring back the mirv and nailz but who listens to me? __________________ [[ ff_hotfudge - bhop_theonlyone ]] "As the the new year approaches I await for it like an case of explosive fecalomania otherwise know as diareha or the massive shits. I am gripping the sides of the toilet as my stomach produces the first hollow thud out of the anus of the year to come." DarkeN_HellspawN Last edited by moosh; 10-29-2012 at 02:49 PM.
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10-29-2012, 04:52 PM	#28
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	Don't remove it. Again, it hasn't changed any map cap averages, how is it that damaging? Grow a pair you nubs. __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

11-02-2012, 02:29 AM	#31
aleXtric #FF.Pickup Dictator Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Detroit Gametype: ADL Affiliations: KiNGz . Posts Rated Helpful 100 Times	yeah but we were talking about making it less effective.. bouncing people across maps seems a bit ridiculous __________________ !add #FF.Pickup - Quakenet http://www.ffpickup.com/?p=irc

11-02-2012, 02:32 AM	#32
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	Imagines front door Schtop defense if this was how overpressure worked =) __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

11-02-2012, 10:52 PM	#36
XPelargos I like to spam binds Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Class/Position: Scoooooot Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 73 Times	FDA speaks the truth. A fundamental design philosophy that people differ on is: Add more vs Remove more I'm all for the latter. Removing caltrops, spy gas nade, is fine by me. I'd rather have fewer tools and less frustration than more tools and more frustration.

11-03-2012, 03:03 PM	#37
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	What makes FDA rage more, overpressure or repeated tranqs? __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

11-03-2012, 03:38 PM	#38
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Tbh I'd rather have a working [Insert existing weapon/ability here] than removing features like largos suggests as well as rather than adding new features. Basically, fix what is broke. Once that is done, THEN work on new ideas/mechanics/weapons/etcetcetc. But don't remove something unless there is very little chance to be able to fix it. The overpressure seems like a relatively easy fix, plus whatever magic squeek or the other devs do. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

11-03-2012, 03:57 PM	#39
CaptainAhab D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jan 2012 Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 35 Times	I agree, the flow of the game -- which is one of the most appealing aspects in my opinion -- is utterly ruined by overpressure. Inhibiting the heavy in some way, shape, or form would be a good addition imo, whether it be some sort of blindness/conc effect/damage/whatever. When a scout is stopped dead in his tracks by overpressure, it's game over, the run is stopped right there. There needs to be a way for the scout to get out of the effects of overpressure while not making overpressure nearly useless. Possibly allow the person affected to maintain air control, and not have them stop dead in their tracks? Maybe have some sort of a crapola-oil effect for the heavy's screen like in Mario Kart when you run over oil? (lol) Dunno.

11-03-2012, 04:06 PM	#40
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	Having a pop-up effect as well as reducing speed by 3/4 wouldn't be too bad. This would allow the scout to maintain air control while still making overpressure useful. __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

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