6th graders - Page 2

Innoc · 01-26-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Oh well. I'm sure now that this misunderstanding has been cleared up, Scuzzy and Innoc will apologize for their rash and ill-informed mockery of the situation.

Misunderstanding? Can you elaborate? I'm not following you.

FrenchToast · 01-26-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

but I think that any politician who uses a teleprompter to speak before children is an idiot. Try to relate to them as actual people instead of a photo-op you f*****g moron.

It's now been shown that he didn't... so... read my post again?

Innoc · 01-26-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

It's now been shown that he didn't... so... read my post again?

Sorry, I've read and heard nothing of the sort. Doesn't mean what you say isn't true....just have been super busy with no time to follow up.

Bridget · 01-26-2010, 10:09 PM

Those videos weren't very convincing. I can take a ton of speeches and snip out the uh's and um's and paste them together into one video to make someone seem stupid. When you ignore all the success someone has when speaking impromtu and only show the mistakes, then goddamn, do they seem to be happening all the time. It seems Obama might get a little stressed out or nervous. Woah! Obama is human?

Credge · 01-26-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bridget

Those videos weren't very convincing. I can take a ton of speeches and snip out the uh's and um's and paste them together into one video to make someone seem stupid. When you ignore all the success someone has when speaking impromtu and only show the mistakes, then goddamn, do they seem to be happening all the time. It seems Obama might get a little stressed out or nervous. Woah! Obama is human?

Bridget, I want to be blunt with you right now because I think you're missing something key.

Whenever Bush spoke without a teleprompter/piece of paper/whatever, he looked like an idiot.

When Obama does the exact same thing, he looks like an idiot.

You can listen to every one of his free reigned speeches, debates, etc. and find that he speaks a whole hell of a lot like Bush does. The biggest difference would be that instead of making up words and looking like a retard, he stammers, sputters, uhmms, but-but-but's, and does pretty much everything that a great orator (what people claim him to be) does.

All you've done is write off Bush's terrible speeches as "He's human". I'm fine with that assessment.

To put this another way:

Person 1: The sky is blue.

Person 2: Can you show me some proof?

Person 1: Here are pictures of the sky.

Person 2: Those pictures aren't very convincing.

Etzell · 01-26-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

Sorry, I've read and heard nothing of the sort. Doesn't mean what you say isn't true....just have been super busy with no time to follow up.

This is one of those times when having uber ignored has worked against you.

GenghisTron · 01-26-2010, 10:37 PM

Every public appearance for a politician is an opportunity, that's all it is. Do you think he needed a teleprompter to speak to a bunch of kids? No, I suck at public speaking, and I can string together random words and still look good in front of a bunch of 6th graders. Obama (and his PR staff) realize that everytime he speaks, he's going to be criticized by the media, his political opponents, etc.

For all you partisans--this is the system you have created from your partisan bickering. The fact that you're complaining about the circumstances you participate in creating, is hilarious.

As for politicians who are terrible public speakers. WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK? I'd rather have a good leader than someone who can impress a bunch of idiots with their speech. Besides, I've never met someone who was a good speaker and wasn't an annoying/dishonest twat.

FrenchToast · 01-26-2010, 11:07 PM

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This is yet again the far-right's great contribution to political discourse. This is precisely the type of stuff you can expect from the intellectual right. That is, absolutely nothing.

Even though everyone with half a mind realizes this stuff is absolutely farcical, even if true, we still might ask, "Is it true"? Well, is it true? As anyone with half a mind probably could have guessed (and expected), it's not true. See here, for example. Again, the right's great contribution.

Innoc · 01-26-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

This is one of those times when having uber ignored has worked against you.

On that we will have to disagree.

Etzell · 01-26-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

On that we will have to disagree.

I was referring to the fact that he brought up the proof that Obama didn't use the teleprompter when talking to the 6th graders. Which you were ignorant of a few posts ago.

Innoc · 01-27-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

I was referring to the fact that he brought up the proof that Obama didn't use the teleprompter when talking to the 6th graders. Which you were ignorant of a few posts ago.

And which I still am. Other than a quote of Ubers that I ignored in FT's post I haven't had time to search for the follow up story. Look, you guys are behaving as if I created the thread and am responsible for the topic. I was simply commenting on the subject as I'd heard snippets through the course of my day. If this has been shown to be a fabrication I'd be interested in hearing further discussion of who did it and why.

Iggy · 01-27-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Credge

Too bad Jon Stewart made fun of him for it

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Why too bad? Is Obama some sort of Entity who is beyond ridicule? I made fun of Bush every day.... why shouldn't I be entitled to treating Obama the same way?

uBeR · 01-27-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

So you'd rather have a leader who doesn't use teleprompters, but makes up words like misunderestimate resulting in the most pathetic representation of the US, making you even more the laughing stock of the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by Bridget

Can we produce a constructive argument against the President or are we going to nitpick?

These two quotes deserve more attention. If there's any wonder why American politics are the laughingstock of the rest of the world, this thread should clear up any confusion. It's really a complete joke. Yet this is what's called "politics" in the United States. Keep up the tremendous work.

Etzell · 01-27-2010, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

And which I still am. Other than a quote of Ubers that I ignored in FT's post I haven't had time to search for the follow up story. Look, you guys are behaving as if I created the thread and am responsible for the topic. I was simply commenting on the subject as I'd heard snippets through the course of my day. If this has been shown to be a fabrication I'd be interested in hearing further discussion of who did it and why.

Not at all. I was just mentioning that your question had been answered.

On other notes, I'd rather have the link Scuzzy linked to than this:

YouTube

I don't think there's gonna be anyone in this thread who would honestly disagree. That is, if they ignored personal politics.

Credge · 01-27-2010, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Why too bad? Is Obama some sort of Entity who is beyond ridicule? I made fun of Bush every day.... why shouldn't I be entitled to treating Obama the same way?

Oh, that was sarcasm. I was kind of pointing out that if Jon Stewart pokes fun at it then you probably shouldn't be defending it.

uBeR · 01-27-2010, 05:02 AM

That's a terrible argument.

Scuzzy · 01-27-2010, 12:42 PM

Dems: Obama's in trouble, BLAME BUSH!!!!!! Obama looks like an idiot, HEY LOOK AT BUSH!!!!!

Bridget · 01-27-2010, 01:02 PM

You're crying about something positive: our President wishing to be well spoken. We're just pointing out that Bush was a terrible speaker, and that we don't want another speaker like him, whether it takes a teleprompter or not.

stray kitten · 01-27-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

He didn't.

It's obvious you didn't look at the link.

Flag on the wall, cute little mat on the floor. Some kid drawings on the wall, a couple of maps, a globe, some charts, baskets full of school supplies, chalk boards, cute little critters. If that is not a class room it must be the DNC office.

Bridget · 01-27-2010, 02:13 PM

Well, what's funny about that? Please, explain.

01-26-2010, 10:37 PM	#27
GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	Every public appearance for a politician is an opportunity, that's all it is. Do you think he needed a teleprompter to speak to a bunch of kids? No, I suck at public speaking, and I can string together random words and still look good in front of a bunch of 6th graders. Obama (and his PR staff) realize that everytime he speaks, he's going to be criticized by the media, his political opponents, etc. For all you partisans--this is the system you have created from your partisan bickering. The fact that you're complaining about the circumstances you participate in creating, is hilarious. As for politicians who are terrible public speakers. WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK? I'd rather have a good leader than someone who can impress a bunch of idiots with their speech. Besides, I've never met someone who was a good speaker and wasn't an annoying/dishonest twat. __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

01-27-2010, 05:02 AM	#36
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's a terrible argument. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

01-27-2010, 12:42 PM	#37
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Dems: Obama's in trouble, BLAME BUSH!!!!!! Obama looks like an idiot, HEY LOOK AT BUSH!!!!! __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

01-26-2010, 10:09 PM	#24
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Those videos weren't very convincing. I can take a ton of speeches and snip out the uh's and um's and paste them together into one video to make someone seem stupid. When you ignore all the success someone has when speaking impromtu and only show the mistakes, then goddamn, do they seem to be happening all the time. It seems Obama might get a little stressed out or nervous. Woah! Obama is human?

01-27-2010, 01:02 PM	#38
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	You're crying about something positive: our President wishing to be well spoken. We're just pointing out that Bush was a terrible speaker, and that we don't want another speaker like him, whether it takes a teleprompter or not.

01-27-2010, 02:13 PM	#40
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Well, what's funny about that? Please, explain.

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