Breaking News: You're Going To Hell.

[Etzell]

Originally Posted by Steven Weinberg

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

In other news, I was going to hell LONG before the Pope told me.

[Loader]

If a 'good' person did an evil thing, then surely that would make them evil? Not good..

[Etzell]

Hey, I didn't make the quote.

[Beetle]

yea, that doesn't make sense. I know what he's saying, but there's also a little thing called morals.

[Ihmhi]

Did anyone actually read the article?

It's about how the pope says only Catholocism is the "whole" church, whereas the many other Christian denominations are nothing more than shadows of the true one.

Which would be, btw, nondenominational Christianity probably, not Catholocism. d:

[Thor-Stryker]

It is better to be kindred to ones god, than to beg on your knees and hands every night and sunday.

Thorsday is best day.

[Beetle]

That doesn't make much sense. Are you saying its better to be like a god? lol

and what's with the proverb format. I shouldn't have worded like that to begin with.

[Iggy]

Buddy Christ, FTW!

[Zydell]

Originally Posted by Beetle

b/c if you don't believe and you're right then, ok, so what? if you don't believe and you're wrong you're going to the respective bad place of whatever religion is right. if you believe then at least you have a chance. and if you're wrong, well, you'll be going to the same place the aethiests are. that is a truly awful way to think of it though ...

Ah; you have enlightened me, I will become a christian and then I will also become a terrorst and fight for al qaeda just in case they are right too!!! (not because I believe in whatever christiand and terrorist believe in, that would be plain silly, I stay on the safe side).

the powerfull think it is usefull

[Etzell]

Originally Posted by Beetle

b/c if you don't believe and you're right then, ok, so what? if you don't believe and you're wrong you're going to the respective bad place of whatever religion is right. if you believe then at least you have a chance. and if you're wrong, well, you'll be going to the same place the aethiests are. that is a truly awful way to think of it though ...

Something tells me that believing in a god to avoid going to hell is just as bad as not believing in a god.

I mean, if there is a god... do you really think you can get away with that?
"Uh, yeah, you only thought I existed so I wouldn't send you to hell."
"Yeah, how'd that work out for me?"
"You don't want to know."

[halo]

Originally Posted by Beetle

its better to believe and be right or wrong than not to believe and be right or wrong

Why's that then? In any case, if you take that viewpoint then it's not belief. It's a kind of agnostic gambling.

[Beetle]

yep it is. I was just giving a different point of view. I knew what I was saying and why it would be a crappy reason to believe.

edit: doesnt make it false though

[shadow]

Originally Posted by Beetle

its better to believe and be right or wrong than not to believe and be right or wrong

believe in what? there are thousands of gods and id hate to get it wrong!
for that matter, how does one choose to believe in something?
wouldnt an omnipotent being be capable of detecting feigned belief?
this just doesnt make any sense.

[Beetle]

I'm not saying that's why you should believe. I'm not even saying you should believe. I'm just saying that its better odds. I know that its a horrible way to think of it. I said that, but what I didn't say is that's the reason you should believe.

[Beetle]

actually. forget I said anything. I didn't think that kind of remark would get this much feedback. I don't want to do this.

[halo]

The Roman Catholic Church can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. It's played an important part in history but it isn't needed anymore and is so blatently false. They had a religion there once that they produced an organisation to administer. They got so caught up in organisation and control that that appears to have usurped their religion. The catholicism of today carries little resemblance to the teachings of Christ.

[Circuitous]

I think if I gave a damn what the Pope said I'd be going to church occasionally.

[puppychow]

i believe in god - i saw her walking around today wearing a beautiful short sundress...gently flowing in the wind, semi translucent, showing the tight curvature of her ass, revealing those tight muscular calves, as she walked with a purposeful cadence.

yup, god is hot.

[halo]

Originally Posted by Beetle

yep it is. I was just giving a different point of view. I knew what I was saying and why it would be a crappy reason to believe.

edit: doesnt make it false though

Well yes it does because it's an impossiblity. If you believe because you might be right and you might not be right but at least you won't burn forever then you don't believe. This is where utilitarianism falls down (on it's face in the ash and brimstone while being jabbed in the arse by pitchfork wielding demons.)

[puppychow]

^ truths. if you 100% believe then you KNOW that you will be saved and its just kinda an afterthought. i have no problem with people like that as long as they aren't super wacked out and push their beliefs on me.