Lets not have server restrictions upon release

[SmellyCat]

I enjoy the passing round of a few friendly swear words around a nice game of TFC. But meh... some people are just arses and cannot control themselves, though they all fall into the 'asshat' category, who should ban on sight anyway!

[Beetle]

i prefer a few cuss words over some idiot that thinks its hilarious to bind a key to some form of "say ROFLz !!!!!"

[squeek.]

Originally Posted by mistermojo

its fun to do and the game is rated M for mature

Btw, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just don't see a point in arguing against a swear filter in the context of the [o-t] server. They do a good job at telling their reasoning behind it.

EDIT: Since when did TurboWolf start talking in broken English?

[Etzell]

I figure if there is language in the single-player version of the game, it should be allowed in the multiplayer version.
In HL1, you can hear "shit" clearly yelled when there's a live grenade by a marine. There's a .vox command for "ass".

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

I know he did, and this question was asked by Own3r and answered by the [o-t] very distinctly. I don't reward the lazy, read, it'll do you some good.

Originally Posted by Desyphur

I read the entire thread and saw NOTHING about it.

Try again.

[TurboWolf]

Jeez, Scuzzy, JEEEEEZ.

Do you even read my threads?

Explicit form:
"Can't not" is wrong.
Choose between
-Cannot
-Can not
-Can't






As for why do I want to swear, I do not want to insult anyone. I just want to say "shit" when I mean to say shit. Or say "I'm gay" when I try to tell that I like men (which I don't).
Those words are here for some reason.
Imagine a swear filter which censored the word nazi. "I recomend you to ban this guy from the server, he's a ****."

[Desyphur]

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

Try again.

That's for Fortress Forever! I'm talking TFC here!

I'm asking why you restrict Bhopping in TFC. If the clan doesn't hate it, and can bhop fine, why restrict it. And don't give me a "It levels the playing field, blah blah blah."

[Circuitous]

Originally Posted by TurboWolf

Jeez, Scuzzy, JEEEEEZ.

Do you even read my threads?

Explicit form:
"Can't not" is wrong.
Choose between
-Cannot
-Can not
-Can't

Can't not is what we like to call a "double negative," and he's actually using it correctly.

"I can't not swear." = "I am incapable of not swearing." = "I must swear."

[TurboWolf]

Thanks for clarifying. I slightly too spanish for understanding those things.

[Zaskar]

What do you expect from a server called Old Timers.

Old people inherently hate cursing. Its like the older you are, the higher a bar you want for censorship. Even though it has nothing to do with age really, and more to do with the generation you were born and brought up in.

[Circuitous]

My grandparents swear all the time.

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Zaskar

What do you expect from a server called Old Timers.

Old people inherently hate cursing. Its like the older you are, the higher a bar you want for censorship. Even though it has nothing to do with age really, and more to do with the generation you were born and brought up in.

Nope.

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Desyphur

That's for Fortress Forever! I'm talking TFC here!

I'm asking why you restrict Bhopping in TFC. If the clan doesn't hate it, and can bhop fine, why restrict it. And don't give me a "It levels the playing field, blah blah blah."

There is a thread around here somewhere with that information... probably more then one... I'll give someone 20 [o-t] carbon credits to find it and give it to this guy.

Scuzzy

[nex nicholai]

How about its because they decided as a group (majority vote) that they would rather play without bhop. Perhaps they just like playing that way.

I was on o-t's for the first time today. It was weird not bhopping, but I managed to control my mwheel finger. I dont think I would become a reg.

[Marshmallow Noob]

I played there for my first a few days ago. I had a good experience. As soon as i arrived someone recognized me from these forums and welcomed me. It did take a while to get used to not bhopping but it wasn't that big of a deal since no one else was doing it, hence giving them any advantage over me. Also the members in there talked on mic while they played about stuff including FF, which is fucking awesome. Overall it's one of the funnest pubs ive played on in years.

[Digital_Ghost]

(was me that recognized you) Yea we've always liked being social bunch while playing and do our best to keep things friendly always welcoming new members. In return most new people that enjoy our servers always post on much they enjoy the environment. We don't care how good you are or how bad you suck. its all about fun, love of the game and the people you game with.

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by nex nicholai

How about its because they decided as a group (majority vote) that they would rather play without bhop. Perhaps they just like playing that way.

I was on o-t's for the first time today. It was weird not bhopping, but I managed to control my mwheel finger. I dont think I would become a reg.

Just wait for FF my man.

[Dospac]

Restricting hate speech/racism and enforcing no disrespectful/disruptive behavior works better than blanket bans or word filters. Unfortunately you rarely get a group of admins intelligent enough to enforce that kind of thing correctly and the server goes to crap because of it.

We must reasonably protect minors from derogatory language and behavior which would lead to them learning bad habits etc. Similarly, they should be reasonably protected from violence or any number of other elements we find common in life.

The disconnect which I find odd in the o-t servers is that in TFC's case anyway, the game is by all counts a mature game. This is in part because of the language that one will hear when playing. Kids shouldn't play it unless they're mature enough to experience that level of violence. Further, they shouldn't be gaming on the internet unless they are mature enough to know that swearing isn't bad except if used in a disrespectful manner or abusively etc. Identifying and acknowledging that behavior as undesirable/bad/banned is important, goin' nazi and disallowing all 'bad words' is just immature.

From the OT FAQ:

Why do you let your kids play violent video games of killing but not allow swearing?

The difference is learning to deal with frustration. In the video game you kill and blow people up, yes it is violent, but there is a separation from reality. If you learn to swear and verbably[sic] attack people when you are frustrated in game, that tends to become a learned behavior both in and OUT of the game. Kids won't learn to kill someone with an RPG when they are frustrated, but they'll pick up calling you names very quickly.

Put another way, the learned language behavior will spill over into real life, the killing to get a flag.... not so much.

Indeed, that name calling behavior could spill over into 'real life'. But it is the behavior that is bad, not the words. That's why people find it funny/silly that you ban bad words but let kids play the violent game. Banning the behavior is good, trying to police which words might be used to perpetrate that behavior, and then banning those outright without regard to context is pointless. In this case, the playerbase is potentially negatively effected because of this and other rules. Not a huge deal, but certainly a problem for many judging from the response here.

[Scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Dospac

Further, they shouldn't be gaming on the internet unless they are mature enough to know that swearing isn't bad except if used in a disrespectful manner or abusively etc.

On college campuses and bars swearing may be prevelent, but it isn't as wide spread as you may think. Swearing in a professional work environment, churches, restaurants, and most public places is frowned upon (at least in the United States). In most real-world public situations here it's considered disrespectful, immature, rude, and never considered "good".

Originally Posted by Dospac

Indeed, that name calling behavior could spill over into 'real life'. But it is the behavior that is bad, not the words. That's why people find it funny/silly that you ban bad words but let kids play the violent game.

In society the level of name calling is judged though, not necessarily the outright behavior. A child can somewhat get away with calling a teacher a jerk, or and idiot. Yes, there will be ramifications, but calling the teacher a "cunt sucker" or a "fucking whore" will get an entirely different response. The idea is to create certain boundaries that are enforceable on the server with minimal effort by the administrators of the server. We can't program "name calling", but we can look for patterns of words.

Originally Posted by Dospac

Banning the behavior is good, trying to police which words might be used to perpetrate that behavior, and then banning those outright without regard to context is pointless.

I am open to examine this argument. Help me understand how we programatically automate filtering on context for phrases like "cunt sucker" and "fucking whore" where context would be appropriate. I'd also need to present this argument to the parents and grandparents who allow their children to play on the server, please outline in detail for me how I can help them understand that in certain circumstances calling someone a "cunt sucker" is good and appropriate behavior.

Originally Posted by Dospac

In this case, the playerbase is potentially negatively effected because of this and other rules.

Explain to me the negative effect it has on people. Remember, the only thing the [o-t] is asking is that the person not hit the microphone key or not type the words into the server. They are welcome to use those words all they want, they just don't need to hit the microphone key. We're open to them having a second keyboard in their home if they need to type them out, which they can do so into notepad or wordpad on another computer. What's the negative impact of our language filter on those individuals?

Originally Posted by Dospac

Not a huge deal, but certainly a problem for many judging from the response here.

To the people in your forums that may very well be true, but to the larger population that has entered our server, not by a long shot. It's the people that want to play in our server that these rules are geared toward, not these forum members.

Scuzzy

[mervaka]

question: how does your server work when the word filter picks something up? does it just blank out the offending word, or remove the entire line of communication? if its the latter that would get on my nerves fast.