What has been the FF team's planning methods?

o_zsleek7 · 02-04-2005, 07:21 PM

I think you guys said that you have been planning this mod for more than a year now, which makes me wnder how you guys have progressed towards the final product.

For example, did you guys start by
listing the bugs you wanted to be done away with
listing all the new abilities the hl2 engine offered TF style gameplay
then had a mighty long discussion on what needs to be done about class balance

im sure the list is probably alot longer and complicated than that, im just interested to see a little insight of how the planning stages has worked.

Thanks for your time.

o_qui · 02-04-2005, 07:27 PM

Analysis - Design - Implementation - Testing xD

Jiggles · 02-05-2005, 04:37 AM

I know there's underwear and profit somewhere around here...

o_vertical · 02-05-2005, 04:43 AM

LOL if your refering to that South Park episode lmao

o_thedarkone · 02-05-2005, 05:02 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpants_Gnomes

schtoofa · 02-05-2005, 06:11 AM

haha, Jiggles: you never cease to amaze me.

But as for the main question...

Given a new engine, it was likely that various bugs wouldn't carry over. They were worth identifying, though. Before working on identifying bugs, and since the idea was to make a mod that was *like* TFC (in a lot of ways, but certainly not identical to)... Defrag created an amazing document that contained just about every aspect of TFC. All weapons, classes, etc - and very detailed characteristics & numbers corresponding each.

To make the rest of the long story short...

A list of desired changes came after that. Then various features and gameplay aspects were or approved / denied.

Once the HL2/SDK came out, some research had to go into determining the features and capabilities of each. Various tasks were split among people based partly on their specialty and partly on what they're good at.

The categories listed on the dev team site sort of emerged naturally. Tasks were further split up into manageable pieces... and little by little we're seeing the results.

Hope this helps - I know it's not the most in-depth analysis possible, but it gives you an idea

o_apoc · 02-05-2005, 08:15 AM

It would be intrestign to see the initial document about current tfc that defrag made, although i dont know if you wish to release it.

o_rilbo · 02-05-2005, 05:04 PM

I agree with Apoc. That would be very interesting to see...

o_rebo · 02-05-2005, 05:14 PM

Sorry we dont intend to release that document.

Defrag · 02-05-2005, 06:55 PM

It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented. So we can't release it ;(
All I have to say is the document was well in excess of 100 pages and that i'm a huge, horrible nerd.

o_qbaler · 02-05-2005, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qui

Analysis - Design - Implementation - Testing xD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I know there's underwear and profit somewhere around here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defrag

It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented.

Jiggles was right!

Well me steal all the underwear thats phase 1 and then ?production? thats phase 2 and then profit!

o_saintrancid-tpf- · 02-06-2005, 12:14 AM

omgz 100 pages? now theres something to read while on the can

o_shaolin · 02-07-2005, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defrag

It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented. So we can't release it ;(
All I have to say is the document was well in excess of 100 pages and that i'm a huge, horrible nerd.

Well, at least you're honest about it :P

o_morgz · 02-07-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defrag

It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented. So we can't release it ;(
All I have to say is the document was well in excess of 100 pages and that i'm a huge, horrible nerd.

Any chance this can be released upon the initial release of ff, would make for quite a brilliant use of a sunday afternoon

o_psycho_soldier · 02-07-2005, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defrag

It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented. So we can't release it ;(
All I have to say is the document was well in excess of 100 pages and that i'm a huge, horrible nerd.

That must be an exaggeration. You couldn't pay me enough money to even write half that much about TFC. I dont see how that was possible. Unless it was the largest font.

schtoofa · 02-07-2005, 08:07 PM

I'm afraid that's no exaggeration.

The font is a normal-sized font, and the document reads like a whitepaper (if you're familiar with those). Defrag really is that big of a nerd ;D <3 fraggles. Doesn't say much for me, though, since I read the thing.

o_silver · 02-07-2005, 08:26 PM

i bet i could read it, air force manuals r the most dry pieces of shit ever, and i have a shit load of them to read

02-04-2005, 07:21 PM	#1
o_zsleek7 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Modesto, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What has been the FF team's planning methods? I think you guys said that you have been planning this mod for more than a year now, which makes me wnder how you guys have progressed towards the final product. For example, did you guys start by listing the bugs you wanted to be done away with listing all the new abilities the hl2 engine offered TF style gameplay then had a mighty long discussion on what needs to be done about class balance im sure the list is probably alot longer and complicated than that, im just interested to see a little insight of how the planning stages has worked. Thanks for your time.

02-05-2005, 06:11 AM	#6
schtoofa Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	haha, Jiggles: you never cease to amaze me. But as for the main question... Given a new engine, it was likely that various bugs wouldn't carry over. They were worth identifying, though. Before working on identifying bugs, and since the idea was to make a mod that was like TFC (in a lot of ways, but certainly not identical to)... Defrag created an amazing document that contained just about every aspect of TFC. All weapons, classes, etc - and very detailed characteristics & numbers corresponding each. To make the rest of the long story short... A list of desired changes came after that. Then various features and gameplay aspects were or approved / denied. Once the HL2/SDK came out, some research had to go into determining the features and capabilities of each. Various tasks were split among people based partly on their specialty and partly on what they're good at. The categories listed on the dev team site sort of emerged naturally. Tasks were further split up into manageable pieces... and little by little we're seeing the results. Hope this helps - I know it's not the most in-depth analysis possible, but it gives you an idea __________________ schtoofa Fortress Forever Team Cheerleader

02-05-2005, 06:55 PM	#10
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It also contains an ingenious get rich quick scheme I invented. So we can't release it ;( All I have to say is the document was well in excess of 100 pages and that i'm a huge, horrible nerd. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

02-07-2005, 08:07 PM	#16
schtoofa Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm afraid that's no exaggeration. The font is a normal-sized font, and the document reads like a whitepaper (if you're familiar with those). Defrag really is that big of a nerd ;D <3 fraggles. Doesn't say much for me, though, since I read the thing. __________________ schtoofa Fortress Forever Team Cheerleader

02-04-2005, 07:27 PM	#2
o_qui Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bournemouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Analysis - Design - Implementation - Testing xD

02-05-2005, 04:37 AM	#3
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I know there's underwear and profit somewhere around here...

02-05-2005, 04:43 AM	#4
o_vertical Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA, KY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	LOL if your refering to that South Park episode lmao

02-05-2005, 05:02 AM	#5
o_thedarkone Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpants_Gnomes

02-05-2005, 08:15 AM	#7
o_apoc Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It would be intrestign to see the initial document about current tfc that defrag made, although i dont know if you wish to release it.

02-05-2005, 05:04 PM	#8
o_rilbo Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sweden Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I agree with Apoc. That would be very interesting to see...

02-05-2005, 05:14 PM	#9
o_rebo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Sorry we dont intend to release that document.

02-06-2005, 12:14 AM	#12
o_saintrancid-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	omgz 100 pages? now theres something to read while on the can

02-07-2005, 08:26 PM	#17
o_silver Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i bet i could read it, air force manuals r the most dry pieces of shit ever, and i have a shit load of them to read

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