Religion in schools

[KubeDawg]

There's nothing offensive about it... TO YOU.... But to other people it clearly is. Otherwise this would not be a problem in schools.

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

There's nothing offensive about it... TO YOU.... But to other people it clearly is. Otherwise this would not be a problem in schools.

So let me get this straight. You are stating someone should give up their first amendment right to wear a flag because someone is offended? You do know what the first amendment is right?

[KubeDawg]

Simply stating people are offended by something does not mean I am also offended, or believe a person's first amendment right should be disregarded. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as one cannot know a truth in its entirety without first seeing an issue from both sides. This is why my position might be occasionally perceived as for or against something, but with most subjects, it is neutral.

However, I do have an opinion on matters such as this, so let me state very clearly, so as to prevent any further misunderstanding. My opinion is that the pledge of allegiance should not be forced on kids, nor should forcing religious teachings in school. That's what churches, mosques and temples are for. Should kids be disallowed from creating their own social group to study their religion of choice or be disallowed to learn about a religion via an elective class? No. It's not my place to impose my beliefs on others.

[Innoc]

Much of what I see being discussed makes me glad that both of my children went to private school. Frankly qualifying the Pledge of Allegiance as indoctrination is silly. You're making it sounds like it's some bit of mind-numbing hypnosis. It is entirely possible to go through 12 years of time in government schools, say the pledge of allegiance, believe in the defined concepts that organized the US and, yet, despise the villainous pieces of shit that work so hard to keep us divided and in conflict.

So what is this thread really intended to discuss? It seems to me that there are already safeguards in place to allow those who dissent in government schools to opt out. I also firmly believe that having a well rounded education means having the opportunity for knowledge about all things. So for those that are objectionable...make them optional and move on.

How long before we have political monitors in the class room comrades?

[traxamillion]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Sorry, the word I meant to use was offensive, which I believe still applies to a nation's flag. It might not offend you, but you're naive if you don't think some might find the American flag offensive.

In today’s politically correct world, somehow misguided people have found the American flag to be offensive. This is typical liberal nonsense.

The American flag is racist.
The American flag represents bigotry.
The American flag is offensive.

The only idiots who find the American flag offensive are liberal/politically correct/brainwashed/nimrods/muslims.

If you don't like it go live in Yemen under sharia law.

[KubeDawg]

Originally Posted by traxamillion

This is typical liberal nonsense.

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Simply stating people are offended by something does not mean I am also offended, or believe a person's first amendment right should be disregarded. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as one cannot know a truth in its entirety without first seeing an issue from both sides. This is why my position might be occasionally perceived as for or against something, but with most subjects, it is neutral.

However, I do have an opinion on matters such as this, so let me state very clearly, so as to prevent any further misunderstanding. My opinion is that the pledge of allegiance should not be forced on kids, nor should forcing religious teachings in school. That's what churches, mosques and temples are for. Should kids be disallowed from creating their own social group to study their religion of choice or be disallowed to learn about a religion via an elective class? No. It's not my place to impose my beliefs on others.

1. If the school allows you to opt out of the class; why is there an issue? Teaching religion is no different than teaching a theory that hasn't been proven empirically, and in fact, the theory has more evidence against it than for it.

2. The pledge of allegiance was never forced on children and if you did not
feel like stating the pledge you didn't have to, so your point is moot.

3. You state that it isn't yoru place to impose your belief on others, yet
that is exactly what you're doing..

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Yeah, liberal use to represent the founding fathers and their conservative approach to life; now it has been highjacked by socialists who have rewritten the definition..

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by Innoc

Much of what I see being discussed makes me glad that both of my children went to private school. Frankly qualifying the Pledge of Allegiance as indoctrination is silly. You're making it sounds like it's some bit of mind-numbing hypnosis. It is entirely possible to go through 12 years of time in government schools, say the pledge of allegiance, believe in the defined concepts that organized the US and, yet, despise the villainous pieces of shit that work so hard to keep us divided and in conflict.

So what is this thread really intended to discuss? It seems to me that there are already safeguards in place to allow those who dissent in government schools to opt out. I also firmly believe that having a well rounded education means having the opportunity for knowledge about all things. So for those that are objectionable...make them optional and move on.

How long before we have political monitors in the class room comrades?

The way socialism has infected our current political structure, not long. People cannot see the bigger picture. The masses do not see that they are being used as pawns to manipulate society because they do not question the information that is placed before them because they are bullied into accepting it as fact. A perfect example of the brainwashing the masses have accepted is the man made global warming hoax that most environmental scientists laugh at. Yet anyone who states anything against, or actually brings scientific fact to the discussion, is branded a kook who wears a tinfoil hat. They have no idea that Al Gore's film was full of lie and that Europe voted on banning the film from being shown to children because of the misinformation in it. I guess people would rather believe a man's lies because he is CEO of many of the corporations that manufacture the green technology his film is advertising..Thankfully many are waking up, but is it to late?

The US had plenty of safeguards in place to protect the populace from what is currently going on, but what can you do when Congress refuses to throw the book at those breaking the nation's law(You know the Constitution and Bill or Rights)? You have bought and paid for politicians/judges that make laws to make their unconstitutional activity legal. It is repulsive to watch the deconstruction of the US because the masses allow the logical fallacy of the left and right bully them into giving up their rights.

[_BEAN_]

Btw, if you own a cell phone, you already have a monitor. My father worked for AT&T and the technology he showed me on how they can listen to everything in your home is disgusting. An example of such technology is found in your phone jack. Even if the phone line is not activated the mic present in the jack can pick up everything in the current and adjacent rooms. The only way to disable this is to unhook the leads to the jack.

[traxamillion]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

[KubeDawg]

Wow what a smart and clever argument... Is that what you're forced to use anytime someone doesn't agree with anything about the US because you have no actual substantive rebuttal? Laff. GTFO of here with your false patriotism. It's clowns like you who give the US a bad name.

[the_cake]

lol this is like a bad fox news talk show.

Kube: I disagree with your thing, because...
Thread: Hey, this guy hates the constitution!
Kube: No, my point wa..
Thread: IF YOU DONT LIKE AMERKA YOU CAN GEEEET OUT

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by the_cake

lol this is like a bad fox news talk show.

Kube: I disagree with your thing, because...
Thread: Hey, this guy hates the constitution!
Kube: No, my point wa..
Thread: IF YOU DONT LIKE AMERKA YOU CAN GEEEET OUT

No, the debate went something like this..

OP: Do you guys have an issue with religion in schools?
Thread: No, as long as you have a means to opt out.
Kube: Why are you forcing your beliefs on me or anyone else?
Thread: How are people forcing their beliefs on anyone else when they allow
you to opt out? Isn't that what you are doing to others by not
allowing both theories to be taught?
Kube: Silence*crickets*
New post: Murica! (more than likely a troll)
Cake: Typical left leaning generalization mixed with hyperbole and rhetoric.

All we needed was some racism thrown in and it would have been perfect...

[the_cake]

I love that the guy who just wrote a few pages of generalized rhetoric is accusing me of generalized rhetoric.

This thread is the best.

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by the_cake

I love that the guy who just wrote a few pages of generalized rhetoric is accusing me of generalized rhetoric.

This thread is the best.

Here we have an example of a person who uses the typical left debating tactics. You will notice that those who lean left avoid pointing to fact and keep the argument based on emotion. You will see name calling and projection, but you will never, if ever, see them point out an example of anything in debate unless a mistake is made. You will also never see them agree with points made that are correct. Why? Because the left, like the right, don't care about truth or fact, they only care about what they can get over on others.

[the_cake]

lol I'm not even interested in the topic, I just find it funny when people use an attempt at an actual discussion to promote whatever one-size-fits-all ideological BS they happen to embrace.

And it sounds like your definition of "left-leaning" is "criticizes or disagrees with anything I say." The liberals must be everywhere, huh?

[Innoc]

Originally Posted by the_cake

lol I'm not even interested in the topic, I just find it funny when people use an attempt at an actual discussion to promote whatever one-size-fits-all ideological BS they happen to embrace.

And it sounds like your definition of "left-leaning" is "criticizes or disagrees with anything I say." The liberals must be everywhere, huh?

If you're not interested in the topic why post? If something doesn't interest me I waste no time on it. I think it's weird to try to inject color commentary into a thread about which you don't care. Perhaps you should dig a little deeper and contribute to the thread in some meaningful or stop posting in it?

[_BEAN_]

Originally Posted by the_cake

lol I'm not even interested in the topic, I just find it funny when people use an attempt at an actual discussion to promote whatever one-size-fits-all ideological BS they happen to embrace.

And it sounds like your definition of "left-leaning" is "criticizes or disagrees with anything I say." The liberals must be everywhere, huh?

Cake, did you actually read the thread or did you censor the actual discussion as you skimmed over it? It was Moto who was promoting the "one-size-fits-all" approach to education, not the forum. As I stated prior, you debate like a typical leftist because you don't focus on what is being said. You resort to rhetoric as you project the failings of the opinion you support onto others..