2 Drives Died At Same Time

Paft · 12-16-2012, 03:39 PM

Everything was working fine last night. I shutdown and went to bed. Woke up today and only 1 of 3 drives showed up. My SDD is dead and a 1tb HDD.

I have a drive dock and they're not showing up on the laptop.

WTF is this shit?

Anshinritsumai · 12-16-2012, 09:21 PM

Not 100% sure if your problem is the same as mine, but doesn't hurt to try, as it sounds similar...

My WD Elements 1TB external HDD "died" a few times now and it turns out that everytime, the drive was perfectly fine, but Windows somehow lost it. And like you, it would always happen after a restart or something and the drive would be missing or windows would find the drive but think of it as empty and needing formatting.

Either way, it ended up happening because the MFT / boot sector of the drive somehow got corrupted and now Windows can't read it. All the files were still there and recoverable, but no matter what I did to try to repair the MFT or bootsector, Windows wouldn't read it. After recovering the files I wanted, I just reformatted the drive fresh and it was working perfectly fine again.

Edit:
To recover files, I used this: TestDisk.

It also has an option to try to fix the MFT/bootsector by using the backup MFT/bootsector, but if both are corrupted/damaged then you have to reformat.

Innoc · 12-17-2012, 03:27 AM

Western Digital used to be my go to....but in recent years that view has changed. To have two drives fail like that I'd be very suspicious of a common component. Were these by any chance on the same power chain from the power supply?

Paft · 12-17-2012, 09:30 PM

I've jumped on an old laptop HDD for the time being. The SSD is dead. Well, it isn't showing up in my dock on my system or laptops.

Oddly the 1tb HDD is working again. It wasn't showing up in the doc at first but then did when I turned it off/on a few times. Seems fine atm. Don't know what is going on there.

The SSD is under warranty so I'll see that it gets replaced.

Confused...........
edit: No, they wasn't on the same power chain. Thanks for the responses.

Innoc · 12-17-2012, 10:26 PM

Ugh...ssd. I missed that in your first post. I thought you deliberately wrote sdd to mean something like second disk drive. Yeah...so the key with ssd is backup as you should assume you will get zero warning of failure and little chance to recover.

Still two drives would make me suspicious of a power supply that's going to attack your wallet....

Paft · 12-18-2012, 01:02 AM

I normally have a backup but since I moved to 8 I had not got round to setting up Win backup. Luckily all I've lost is what was on my desktop.

Although the HDD seems to be working again just fine (I have put it back in my system and have rebooted twice), that has scared and confused me now.

edit: If you are interested the SSD is:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-ver...i-2-5-ssd.html 60GB

Innoc · 12-18-2012, 02:19 AM

If you weren't aware of the failure behavior of SSD before hopefully you are now. Frankly I am still avoiding SSD where I can as I still view it as not nearly as reliable as platter based drives....perhaps in the next generation they'll fix that.

I have a work laptop using SSD on which I keep no unique files. Everything is either on a share or backed up on an encrypted USB drive. Hasn't failed in the last year but I always treat it as living on borrowed time!

Paft · 12-18-2012, 03:45 AM

I'm aware of the failure rate history. It also was damn cheap, although it was on sale. £29.99. The old "you get what you pay for" quote may come into play.

However, I'm not on crack.

One of my HDDs did stop from showing up and didn't work in the dock at first.

It's all big "

"......... and To Be Continued....

Thanks for the input.

Innoc · 12-18-2012, 03:38 PM

Just for giggles....check for firmware updates?

WiFiDi · 12-25-2012, 07:04 PM

what you use them for is to store your operating system because the more you save to the ssd the faster it wears out. and they don't like saving stuff it decreases there life span dramatically.

atleast that what ive heard. its flash memory so like a flash drive basically. only a whole bunch of em.

Paft · 12-27-2012, 04:21 PM

No shit

I didn't buy a 60gb for storage.

edit: I tried that, innoc... Can't.

Just waiting to hear from RMA now.

WiFiDi · 01-01-2013, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paft

No shit

I didn't buy a 60gb for storage.

edit: I tried that, innoc... Can't.

Just waiting to hear from RMA now.

yea well I've met people who bought them for storage.

Paft · 01-03-2013, 04:46 PM

They must be wadded with $$$.

Paft · 03-22-2013, 10:27 PM

Tip: don't buy SSDs on a whim just because it's going cheap like I did. Also, avoid OCZ value (or all?) drives.

I trusted OCZ enough without having to research before purchasing, because I have had RAM and a power supply from them in the past that I have been happy with.

I received a newer model from them as mine was out of sock during the RMA process. It died within 2hrs... I doubt it is my system as I've had 5x 1tb mixed branded drives for over 2 years that are all fine.

Samsung or Intel in future.

12-16-2012, 03:39 PM	#1
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	2 Drives Died At Same Time Everything was working fine last night. I shutdown and went to bed. Woke up today and only 1 of 3 drives showed up. My SDD is dead and a 1tb HDD. I have a drive dock and they're not showing up on the laptop. WTF is this shit? __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012

12-16-2012, 09:21 PM	#2
Anshinritsumai °_o Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 127.0.0.1 Class/Position: Medic & Engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: DM, OC, -[CfH]- Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Not 100% sure if your problem is the same as mine, but doesn't hurt to try, as it sounds similar... My WD Elements 1TB external HDD "died" a few times now and it turns out that everytime, the drive was perfectly fine, but Windows somehow lost it. And like you, it would always happen after a restart or something and the drive would be missing or windows would find the drive but think of it as empty and needing formatting. Either way, it ended up happening because the MFT / boot sector of the drive somehow got corrupted and now Windows can't read it. All the files were still there and recoverable, but no matter what I did to try to repair the MFT or bootsector, Windows wouldn't read it. After recovering the files I wanted, I just reformatted the drive fresh and it was working perfectly fine again. Edit: To recover files, I used this: TestDisk. It also has an option to try to fix the MFT/bootsector by using the backup MFT/bootsector, but if both are corrupted/damaged then you have to reformat. __________________ Steam \| Xfire \| Twitter \| Last.FM \| Anime \| DevART Last edited by Anshinritsumai; 12-16-2012 at 09:31 PM.

12-17-2012, 03:27 AM	#3
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Western Digital used to be my go to....but in recent years that view has changed. To have two drives fail like that I'd be very suspicious of a common component. Were these by any chance on the same power chain from the power supply? __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

12-17-2012, 09:30 PM	#4
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Strangeness I've jumped on an old laptop HDD for the time being. The SSD is dead. Well, it isn't showing up in my dock on my system or laptops. Oddly the 1tb HDD is working again. It wasn't showing up in the doc at first but then did when I turned it off/on a few times. Seems fine atm. Don't know what is going on there. The SSD is under warranty so I'll see that it gets replaced. Confused........... edit: No, they wasn't on the same power chain. Thanks for the responses. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 12-17-2012 at 09:31 PM.

12-17-2012, 10:26 PM	#5
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Ugh...ssd. I missed that in your first post. I thought you deliberately wrote sdd to mean something like second disk drive. Yeah...so the key with ssd is backup as you should assume you will get zero warning of failure and little chance to recover. Still two drives would make me suspicious of a power supply that's going to attack your wallet.... __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

12-18-2012, 01:02 AM	#6
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	I normally have a backup but since I moved to 8 I had not got round to setting up Win backup. Luckily all I've lost is what was on my desktop. Although the HDD seems to be working again just fine (I have put it back in my system and have rebooted twice), that has scared and confused me now. edit: If you are interested the SSD is: http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-ver...i-2-5-ssd.html 60GB __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 12-18-2012 at 03:34 AM. Reason: but

12-18-2012, 02:19 AM	#7
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	If you weren't aware of the failure behavior of SSD before hopefully you are now. Frankly I am still avoiding SSD where I can as I still view it as not nearly as reliable as platter based drives....perhaps in the next generation they'll fix that. I have a work laptop using SSD on which I keep no unique files. Everything is either on a share or backed up on an encrypted USB drive. Hasn't failed in the last year but I always treat it as living on borrowed time! __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

12-18-2012, 03:45 AM	#8
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	I'm aware of the failure rate history. It also was damn cheap, although it was on sale. £29.99. The old "you get what you pay for" quote may come into play. However, I'm not on crack. One of my HDDs did stop from showing up and didn't work in the dock at first. It's all big ""......... and To Be Continued.... Thanks for the input. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 12-18-2012 at 03:45 AM.

12-18-2012, 03:38 PM	#9
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Just for giggles....check for firmware updates? __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

12-25-2012, 07:04 PM	#10
WiFiDi Beta Tester Join Date: May 2010 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: Capture the Flag is there any other Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	what you use them for is to store your operating system because the more you save to the ssd the faster it wears out. and they don't like saving stuff it decreases there life span dramatically. atleast that what ive heard. its flash memory so like a flash drive basically. only a whole bunch of em. __________________ WiFi's Stream Support FF: Failure is always an option. It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!) To make most awesome thing in universe combine Bears and Nicholas Cage! and remember kids, we didn't start the flame-war! Last edited by WiFiDi; 12-25-2012 at 07:04 PM.

12-27-2012, 04:21 PM	#11
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	No shit I didn't buy a 60gb for storage. edit: I tried that, innoc... Can't. Just waiting to hear from RMA now. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 12-27-2012 at 04:31 PM.

01-03-2013, 04:46 PM	#13
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	They must be wadded with $$$. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012

03-22-2013, 10:27 PM	#14
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Tip: don't buy SSDs on a whim just because it's going cheap like I did. Also, avoid OCZ value (or all?) drives. I trusted OCZ enough without having to research before purchasing, because I have had RAM and a power supply from them in the past that I have been happy with. I received a newer model from them as mine was out of sock during the RMA process. It died within 2hrs... I doubt it is my system as I've had 5x 1tb mixed branded drives for over 2 years that are all fine. Samsung or Intel in future. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 03-23-2013 at 03:36 AM.

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