Strong Message to all teenage gangsta wanna-be's

[stray kitten]

shizzle fazizzle

video reminds me of comments in another 2nd amendment thread. Given that context anti-second amendment proponents are both national socialists and racist.

[Innoc]

Originally Posted by Etzell

Check GT's post. He's already been shown rong.

According to this, Columbia is the winner.
We're 12th out of 37 listed. So, not great. Not awful

Thanks Etzell. GT is on ignore so I would not have seen that. The order in the top 10 shifts some depending on the source and the reporting period but it has commonly the same countries appearing there.

[FrenchToast]

Yeah I'm trying to remember where I heard that and I'm beginning to think someone told me in a pub so... my bad.

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by Innoc

Thanks Etzell. GT is on ignore, because I'm a coward.

oh okay

[GenghisTron]

Help help, I'm a victim.

[GenghisTron]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shooting.html

[Innoc]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Yeah I'm trying to remember where I heard that and I'm beginning to think someone told me in a pub so... my bad.

We've all had that happen. No worries!

[The Drizzle]

Originally Posted by Ricey

I use to go clubbing a lot in Downtown Orlando with a bunch of friends, usually 5-10 People. All the guys(Mostly military), including myself all carry pistols. Yes, it is a big group, and most likely will be left alone, but Orlando isn't the safest city in the US, what city is. Tampa Bay is just like Orlando in terms of safety.

We've had many drunk people try and start fights with us, but as soon as a pistol is shown they always back off. It should be used a deterrent, and if needed a shot fired away from people, as to scare them.

Now let's go to West Palm Beach, I can't tell you how many cops have been killed by gang members, it's a lot. You take away Gun Permits from everyday, people who follow the laws, they are defenseless. Last time I was in WPB, I had my pistol on me,as my friend told me a Cop was just killed.

Now, go live in those areas, and then come back to me.

I've lived in very safe areas, Cherry Hill,NJ had 1 Murder in 10 years. Camden,NJ... yea. Orlando,Tampa Bay, West Palm Beach, worse than Camden.

Only a few months ago a student was shot on Campus because he wouldn't give up his Macbook Pro. He tried to run, and got shot. Luckily he lived.

Month or so before that, cop had to shot/kill a subject.

Sometimes I walk to labs at 1am, I'll wear a vest, and bring my gun.

The bold section is a joke right?

[episkopos]

Originally Posted by GenghisTron

In places like England, where guns are outlawed

I live in England. You can legally keep a shotgun in your home as long as you have a permit (basically verifying that you're sane and not likely to use it to commit crime). There are also requirements to keep it in a locked cabinet.

Take note that actually defending yourself with it is very often a criminal offense (you're allowed to use "reasonable force", which is very subject to interpretation).

I personally attribute our gun control laws to the fact that guns simply aren't seen as important by the vast majority of citizens. Nobody feels the need to have a gun with which to defend themselves, or feels that any fundamental right is being denied. Wanting to own a gun is seen as a sign of paranoia or mental illness, if not a desire to commit crime.

Interestingly, surveys have shown a lot of people keep cricket bats and other improvised blunt weapons under their bed, possibly backing up your idea that other weapons will simply move in to fill in the void left by guns. However, isn't it better that people use less lethal weapons in crime? If you took percentage violent crimes in the UK that led to death vs. percentage of violent crimes in the US that led to death, what would the numbers come out like?

[Iggy]

Apples and oranges. I'd bet the per-capita crime ratio in the UK is much lower than in the US. Of course, you'd then have to compare by individual cities(highest crime-vs-highest crime to lowest-vs-lowest). Some areas of the US have an almost non-existant crime rate, while where I live, to not have a shooting/murder/etc... makes the news because of the rarity of the event.

Anything can be used as a weapon, and any weapon can be considered "deadly". It's possible, with a little effort, to turn two popcicle sticks into a switchblade knife.

"Deadly" weapon is a misnomer anyway... I've never seen anyone who shoots to disable someone who broke into their home. Ballbat? Never seen anyone stop to call 911 until the perpatrator is not moving. You name it....

[GenghisTron]

Originally Posted by Iggy

I'd bet the per-capita crime ratio in the UK is much lower than in the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

We get it, you hate America.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by GenghisTron

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

We get it, you hate America.

Irrellevent... but I stand corrected.

[stray kitten]

Some of the more violent places on the planet have strict gun control laws. In fact that whole idea of no sex or going out in public with a woman along with banned political debate and being put to death or eating certain foods can make any sane person violent. But what amazed me recently was how much more lax gun laws are in a country like Switzerland. Gun control advocates there aren't worried about gun crime as much as they are worried about controlling the suicide rate.

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Those peeps make us (USA) and our Second Amendment seem authoritarian.