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I am interested in seeing how Binary will address the question. While I do like him I seem to recall that he has some history with making broad statements that he won't support concretely. Trying to get him to do so may make for interesting reading. Regardless he's still a nice guy.
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Well death panels aside, she is convincing a group of people that they are paying an amount in taxes that they are not. In fact a majority of them are paying less than they have in an incredibly long time. This is based on tax cuts by the Obama administration put in place when he first took office. The majority of the tea party qualify for a great deal of his tax cuts. Palin doesn't, which is probably why she is so confused. But the people that she is "leading" do not. I learned this from CNN, MSNBC, BBC broadcasting polls taken of the members to see how much the group knew about taxes. There was more spin involved in the segment but I didn't find it relevant to the actual poll which simply showed to me that she was motivating them based on things that were not true, hence misinformation. This does bring up a thought though. As I had just assumed you all agreed. Suddenly this question leads me to believe that perhaps you don't But since the polls are pretty solid and widely agreed upon I wonder what your responce will be. I do assume you'll ask me to provide links to them. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...11-503544.html Quote:
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I must say though, that there are many times where I hate the huffington post. It had her speech, sort of posted. That is to say it had the combined worst 3 minutes of her speech poorly cut together in a way that looked sloppy. It wasn't even subtle. That's a tangent complaint though. These facts should link together Palin's speech with their lack of knowledge about taxes. Even if they didn't know before hand. She isn't helping. The things she said were wrong, and she was saying it to them. That's enough to prove my statement that she is feeding them misinformation. I really thought you all agreed here. I am surprised you don't. I don't expect you to magically agree after my post. But I don't know what you'll say, so I'm curious. Last edited by BinaryLife; 04-22-2010 at 04:31 PM. |
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I hate Bill Maher, Huffington is occasionally....rarely helpful. I like Jon Stuart... when he is fulfilling his chosen purpose, which is to be funny. I wouldn't start quoting him to prove point. My memory is legitimately poor, I can't remember if i did, or only wanted to reference him with Betsy McCaughey. A point on his own show where, since you're all talking about death panels he called her to point on the subject. She was unable to prove the bill had anything to say about the subject. She had it with her. She was holding the bill in her hands and reading directly from it, the passage SHE claimed supported her statement on the issue and clearly fell short on the whole burden of proof issue. While his show is a comedy show and I wouldn't normally bring it up in this fashion, he proved her wrong. Funny man or not, he showed people watching the truth and while I don't expect any one of you to admit it, or see it:
There it is. I just grabbed the first link I found on you tube. But the full un-edited version is on his website. There is no misread context or anything. Simply her inability to prove what she came to prove. This is a tangent of the thread so I wouldn't mind if it was split appropriately. But it was brought up as a negative to my character. As far as my vague responses go, well I work 60 hours and come home to my girlfriend so I rarely have an opportunity to back up my statements. I do realize this can be frustrating when you are reading my posts and for that I apologize. I have been equally frustrated in the past so I know how it feels and do sympathize. When I make these types of statements I will try to provide more links in the future. Typically I am lazy and when I can't find something right away I give up, and watch TV. In this case I have more time, but also care more about carrying on a successful dialogue. |
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I find it interesting that people are still under the impression that Taxes aren't going to go up. Who do you think is going to pay for all this garbage and debt? It's naive and foolish to believe that taxes won't be raised. Sarah Palin aside, it's going to happen whether through the VAT tax which is currently a "novel" idea or a significant middle class tax increase. A VAT tax, in America? While it's not essentially a tax on the people, you will pay for it when you go to buy groceries and have to spend $50-$100 more because of this VAT tax.
Sarah Palin is irrelevant as a political threat. She is used purely as a "rock star" sort of figure to fire up the base. The Tea Party participants are quite a bit more intelligent than many will give them credit for. Most of them understand that they will eventually be hit in their check books. A larger majority understand that their children will be paying for this as well. Sarah Palin will not be the parties nomination, neither a 3rd party or the Republican party. The Tea Party leaders understand that splitting the Republican ticket is the worst thing that could possibly happen in 2012. What may be much more interesting than any of this is if Obama pulls an LBJ and does not seek the nomination of his party. No one has anything to fear from the Alaskan hockey hottie, she will go on speaking/book tours and fall further in to political irrelevance. |
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04-28-2010, 03:48 PM | #29 |
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So... has anyone on here paid less taxes since Obama took office? My income went down by about 30 percent and I paid MORE than last year. Also if you force people and corporations to pay the government that is a tax. No way around it, it's a tax. Regardless of weather you call it "health care".
//edit binary your vid link is dead.
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And my tax payments most certainly went down. I had lower income last year and I had a bigger refund than the previous year. Plus a stimulus package from Obama. I am getting an extra 400$ in the mail. |
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04-30-2010, 02:16 PM | #31 |
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It was removed for copy write violation. Nothing to do with hot linking.
I got 2,000 back last year and had to pay in almost 1,000 this year.
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As I mentioned earlier they are certainly going to increase, the same source, CBS news verifies that fact, in the same posted link I up there on them internets. I have to apologize, but I'm not sure what your point is here. You say your personal taxes went up, but there really are so many explanations for that possibility assuming we all take it as truth. Not to mention, that your unverified personal experience doesn't negate the verified polls of various news sources. But then I could be misunderstanding your point entirely and you could very simply be sharing an interesting anecdote that explains your opinion on this matter. |
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You paid less, I paid more. http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
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