Discussion about the spy's ability to cloak - Page 2

Bridget · 01-24-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawk Eye

Maybe there really is a better alternative to the Spy's ability to cloak. Maybe deciding on the cloak vs feigning wasn't the best option. Maybe changing the cloak to full invis does more harm then good? Who knows? Let's allow this thread to discuss what might be a potential issue someone has with FF, rather than a rant in attempt to defend the Sniper.

Maybe cloaking should be for movement and they should bring back feigning. The problem expressed seems to be with 'feign like' gameplay where someone pretends to be something they're not and then at the last minute, ups and stabs someone in the back. If we introduced (reintroduced?) feigning then maybe there would be a way for the other player to figure out where the Spy was with some direction. Though, would it still be the same outcome? People would just spam corpses. Yeah.

Mhm, I think the best thing to do would be to convert this thread into an actual discussion about the Spy and his abilities. That derails the original immature intent of this thread and turns it into something more constructive and positive. That's the best way to counter it; I'll try not to take the bait.

Bridget · 01-24-2010, 09:46 AM

Double post. See above. ^

Hawk Eye · 01-24-2010, 10:07 AM

In terms of feigning- as I understand it, it simply cannot be done in Source without recoding the entire ragdoll system. You'd have to replace it to a sever-side method (either with the current ragdoll system (massive lag due to physics on the server) or replace it with a "the body just drops" type of system ala TFC). This seems like an excessive amount of coding on the developer's part for a small feature (even TF2 did not do this... maybe ragdolls are just too cool a feature to kill?).

Circuitous · 01-24-2010, 10:25 AM

These forums are so goddamn retarded sometimes.

LOL LET'S COUNTER ANNOYANCE WITH SARCASM. Assholes, everyone except Squeek, and maybe Hawk Eye.

Bridget · 01-24-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

These forums are so goddamn retarded sometimes.

LOL LET'S COUNTER ANNOYANCE WITH SARCASM. Assholes, everyone except Squeek, and maybe Hawk Eye.

Yeah and calling people assholes isn't contributing to the problem? Hypocrite.

Circuitous · 01-24-2010, 11:20 AM

Hypocrite nothing, I'm not disguising my dickishness as discussion.

Bridget · 01-24-2010, 11:39 AM

Alright, touche.

Gwarsbane · 01-24-2010, 02:45 PM

TheKing is just upset because I've made him into TheQueen a few times in game. :P Next time don't, don't stand on ladders when I can come up with a knife from below. :P

chilledsanity · 01-24-2010, 04:32 PM

Well I'm actually someone who's not trying to turn this back to the sniper, I mean what I said about the spy.

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Originally Posted by Hawk Eye

Maybe changing the cloak to full invis does more harm then good? Who knows?

This is about 90% of the problem right here.

blackout · 01-25-2010, 02:37 AM

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That derails the original immature intent of this thread and turns it into something more constructive and positive. That's the best way to counter it; I'll try not to take the bait.

The reason the first thread was started was because you were mad snipers were killing you. This community baffles me.

Bridget · 01-25-2010, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackout

The reason the first thread was started was because you were mad snipers were killing you. This community baffles me.

No? I haven't played Fortress Forever in five months.

blackout · 01-25-2010, 03:34 AM

Be it present or past, that was the reason it was created.

moosh · 01-25-2010, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mervaka

fuck me, this thread's got to be the most childish retort ever.

These threads are all over the place... Nothing good comes out of them.

Dr.Satan · 01-25-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by moosh

These threads are all over the place... Nothing good comes out of them.

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01-24-2010, 09:46 AM	#22
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Double post. See above. ^ Last edited by Bridget; 01-24-2010 at 10:02 AM.

01-24-2010, 10:25 AM	#24
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	These forums are so goddamn retarded sometimes. LOL LET'S COUNTER ANNOYANCE WITH SARCASM. Assholes, everyone except Squeek, and maybe Hawk Eye. __________________ Look at all those dead links. Last edited by Circuitous; 01-24-2010 at 10:25 AM.

01-24-2010, 11:20 AM	#26
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Hypocrite nothing, I'm not disguising my dickishness as discussion. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

01-24-2010, 10:07 AM	#23
Hawk Eye Who the fuck is this guy? D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O Preferred Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [AE] Asseaters Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	In terms of feigning- as I understand it, it simply cannot be done in Source without recoding the entire ragdoll system. You'd have to replace it to a sever-side method (either with the current ragdoll system (massive lag due to physics on the server) or replace it with a "the body just drops" type of system ala TFC). This seems like an excessive amount of coding on the developer's part for a small feature (even TF2 did not do this... maybe ragdolls are just too cool a feature to kill?).

01-24-2010, 11:39 AM	#27
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Alright, touche.

01-24-2010, 02:45 PM	#28
Gwarsbane Slayer of humans D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mostly on earth though in some alt dimensions Class/Position: I'm an Offensive Defensive person Gametype: Fortress Forever Affiliations: I'm a merc, only thing that talks is money Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	TheKing is just upset because I've made him into TheQueen a few times in game. :P Next time don't, don't stand on ladders when I can come up with a knife from below. :P

01-25-2010, 03:34 AM	#32
blackout Join Date: Jan 2010 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Be it present or past, that was the reason it was created.

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