Guitar players, HELP! - Page 2

Skanky Butterpuss · 12-02-2009, 04:36 AM

you should have just bought my awesome guitar. you wouldnt be having his problem.

teh_rape · 12-02-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skanky Butterpuss

you should have just bought my awesome guitar. you wouldnt be having his problem.

I would have, but for some reason you wouldn't accept my amazing offer of 3 FULL DOLLARS plus shipping.
I got this for free anyway so I can't really complain. I just play songs that need a capo, or ones that dont have that string open, so i dont have to hear that annoying ass ring

reaper18 · 12-02-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by teh_rape

I would have, but for some reason you wouldn't accept my amazing offer of 3 FULL DOLLARS plus shipping.
I got this for free anyway so I can't really complain. I just play songs that need a capo, or ones that dont have that string open, so i dont have to hear that annoying ass ring

rape, make sure you study up on Music Theory and tablature, learn how to read music and what notes sound like what, itll give yo ua solid ground for making songs that dont sound like a 3 year old bashing on a piano

teh_rape · 12-02-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by reaper18

rape, make sure you study up on Music Theory and tablature, learn how to read music and what notes sound like what, itll give yo ua solid ground for making songs that dont sound like a 3 year old bashing on a piano

Do you know of a good site and/or book to learn music theory?

qwertyuiop · 12-02-2009, 05:46 PM

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Do you know of a good site and/or book to learn music theory?

Barbara Wharram's 'Elementary Rudiment of Music' is a good introduction to theory - mind you it is very repetitive in the vast amount of writing exercises, but this is the best way to learn theory. All of the guitar specific theory books I've encountered are rather poor, either washing things down to make them more accessible to guitar players (who are usually rather poor musicians) or not providing any set of writing exercises to put what you've learned into practice.

Mind you that book, like other great theory books, is very dense and I only recommend it for 'musicians', not just someone who wants to strum some chords on the guitar and have some fun. It all depends on how serious you are about learning music. To be honest, learning higher levels of theory is pointless for guitarists who want to play rock/other sorts of popular music, because popular music doesn't make any musical sense by the rules of classical theory. You can essentially string together any series of unrelated open position chords and there you have a song. All you really should bother learning are scales and chords and their construction (essentially like learning the alphabet to someone learning english). If you move beyond that you will be learning a language irrelevant to the music I assume you want to play.

MonoXideAtWork · 12-02-2009, 06:01 PM

"The guitar Handbook" by Ralph Denyer

teh_rape · 12-02-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by qwertyuiop

All you really should bother learning are scales and chords and their construction (essentially like learning the alphabet to someone learning english). If you move beyond that you will be learning a language irrelevant to the music I assume you want to play.

I want to be able to play a lot of differnt types of music. I dont exactly know how certain people classify some bands into a genre.. but I know I would like to be able to play red hot chili peppers, incubus, iron maiden at some point down the road, some reggae style bands... "chill" music like jack johnson... there is a list of bands that i am interested in learning.
I dont want to be a professional musician, i want just want to be able to play the songs well... if that makes sense to you. As a hobby and not my life, i guess.

qwertyuiop · 12-02-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by teh_rape

I want to be able to play a lot of differnt types of music. I dont exactly know how certain people classify some bands into a genre.. but I know I would like to be able to play red hot chili peppers, incubus, iron maiden at some point down the road, some reggae style bands... "chill" music like jack johnson... there is a list of bands that i am interested in learning.
I dont want to be a professional musician, i want just want to be able to play the songs well... if that makes sense to you. As a hobby and not my life, i guess.

Yea, for those sorts of music learning higher levels of theory will be pointless. Really if all you intend to do is learn to play some songs there is really no point in focusing on theory at all at this point. Just learn the songs. I recommend getting a teacher to at least get you started.

**Elmo** · 12-02-2009, 06:51 PM

I've only recently (last few months) actually tried picking up guitar despite being around them in bands for years. So I've got some grasp of music and from playing piano as a kid.

I've been sticking to my genre which has a lot of power chords, nice easy start to get used to just playing at a basic level. But I'd say to be any good at all you need to learn some chords too; trying to play from tab, the songs you know well is the best method - if you're like me and don't like theory

I learn my bands songs and then I can see the technique my guitarist uses at rehearsal every Sunday. I know that Incubus can be quite technical so choosing easy sounding songs is obviously a better place to start. I first tried High by Feeder where the acoustic is 4 chords over and over so I got used to changing chords and moving my fingers between them. I've started singing over it now which is cool.

So yeah, just in case my experience learning (so far) can help. Have fun :~)

P.S. You might already be way ahead of me

qwertyuiop · 12-02-2009, 07:15 PM

Power chords are a perfect example of conflict with music theory - if you study harmony one of the first things you learn is to avoid parallel 5ths and octaves - and that's all power chords are, 5ths and octave in parallel motion.

teh_rape · 12-02-2009, 07:47 PM

I can play some songs, just not as fast as the band does... which will just come with practice i hope. I can do wonderwall but that's like the easiest song ever. I only know a couple cords, If someone tells me to do a C#, or nearly any other cord, i just stare at them. i've been getting better at transition between cords though. I've just been searching youtube for lessons that way i can see how someone else plays it and try to mimic it.

One of my problems is that I can read tabs... but I dont know proper hand positions. Like i'll somehow make it a lot harder than what it should be, then ill look at a cover on youtube and see its so simple.

**Elmo** · 12-02-2009, 08:59 PM

maybe your hands need to get used to the shape ?

teh_rape · 12-02-2009, 10:53 PM

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maybe your hands need to get used to the shape ?

Its just that I dont know the cords. If someone says show me a c# I wouldn't be able to show them, but if i were to look it up.. or somehow find out I can play it fine.

MonoXideAtWork · 12-02-2009, 11:42 PM

That's where I find theory to be useful.

Being a bassist, I learned scales right off.

picking up a little theory, you will learn what notes make up a particular chord.

For instance, some one says play the C major chord, you find the root, then add the third and fifth interval and you've got a major triad.

I like math, so music theory is something that interests me.

reaper18 · 12-03-2009, 03:11 AM

I dont really know any good books, rape, as i was taught while growing up by various teachers, not necessarily on the guitar, but theory is the same for all instruments.
As for learning different styles, just play different styles. You can read tableture (tabs) and learn to play many different artists, or you can use your ear.

teh_rape · 12-03-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by reaper18

I dont really know any good books, rape, as i was taught while growing up by various teachers, not necessarily on the guitar, but theory is the same for all instruments.
As for learning different styles, just play different styles. You can read tableture (tabs) and learn to play many different artists, or you can use your ear.

yeah I usually look at tabs and try to get a feel for the song, then go on youtube and watch a lesson/cover so i can see how they play it

Deadly Furby · 12-03-2009, 10:35 PM

You probably replaced the strings with a lighter gauge and are now noticing the buzz. If you install lighter gauged strings onto a guitar with a worn nut then buzzing will occur. Simply replace the nut with a new one and your problem should be solved.

They're cheap but, since you're not familiar with the instrument, I'd take it in and have it done for you. That way, you will be assured of getting the correct type.

The Drizzle · 12-04-2009, 02:51 AM

If you want to learn how to play various songs. . .check out Tabit. I have been playing for 15 years, but I suck lol. I never really had the time to learn chords and all that jazz. I know the basics, but thats about it. Buying that program for 19 bucks is well worth it. Plenty of tabs uploaded every day.

12-02-2009, 04:36 AM	#21
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Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	I've only recently (last few months) actually tried picking up guitar despite being around them in bands for years. So I've got some grasp of music and from playing piano as a kid. I've been sticking to my genre which has a lot of power chords, nice easy start to get used to just playing at a basic level. But I'd say to be any good at all you need to learn some chords too; trying to play from tab, the songs you know well is the best method - if you're like me and don't like theory I learn my bands songs and then I can see the technique my guitarist uses at rehearsal every Sunday. I know that Incubus can be quite technical so choosing easy sounding songs is obviously a better place to start. I first tried High by Feeder where the acoustic is 4 chords over and over so I got used to changing chords and moving my fingers between them. I've started singing over it now which is cool. So yeah, just in case my experience learning (so far) can help. Have fun :~) P.S. You might already be way ahead of me __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 12-02-2009 at 06:54 PM.

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teh_rape Supa-leet-cap-a-cop Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I can play some songs, just not as fast as the band does... which will just come with practice i hope. I can do wonderwall but that's like the easiest song ever. I only know a couple cords, If someone tells me to do a C#, or nearly any other cord, i just stare at them. i've been getting better at transition between cords though. I've just been searching youtube for lessons that way i can see how someone else plays it and try to mimic it. One of my problems is that I can read tabs... but I dont know proper hand positions. Like i'll somehow make it a lot harder than what it should be, then ill look at a cover on youtube and see its so simple. __________________ 9:48 PM - Orphic^vi: fuck bitches 1:03 AM - tm: no one remembers me 1:03 AM - tm: except tr the god 1:03 AM - tm: and by tr i mean teh_rape; tfc god

12-02-2009, 08:59 PM	#32
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	maybe your hands need to get used to the shape ? __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

12-02-2009, 06:01 PM	#26
MonoXideAtWork Pub Allstar! Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: under en kvinna Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Eternal Order, Must be h4x, Mono's happy funtime. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	"The guitar Handbook" by Ralph Denyer

12-02-2009, 07:15 PM	#30
qwertyuiop Voted #1 FF Forum Member D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canada Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Power chords are a perfect example of conflict with music theory - if you study harmony one of the first things you learn is to avoid parallel 5ths and octaves - and that's all power chords are, 5ths and octave in parallel motion.

12-02-2009, 11:42 PM	#34
MonoXideAtWork Pub Allstar! Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: under en kvinna Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Eternal Order, Must be h4x, Mono's happy funtime. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's where I find theory to be useful. Being a bassist, I learned scales right off. picking up a little theory, you will learn what notes make up a particular chord. For instance, some one says play the C major chord, you find the root, then add the third and fifth interval and you've got a major triad. I like math, so music theory is something that interests me.

12-03-2009, 03:11 AM	#35
reaper18 sKeeD D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Scout, Demo, Solly Gametype: Any Posts Rated Helpful 21 Times	I dont really know any good books, rape, as i was taught while growing up by various teachers, not necessarily on the guitar, but theory is the same for all instruments. As for learning different styles, just play different styles. You can read tableture (tabs) and learn to play many different artists, or you can use your ear.

12-03-2009, 10:35 PM	#37
Deadly Furby Elder Scroll Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cell Block 17 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	You probably replaced the strings with a lighter gauge and are now noticing the buzz. If you install lighter gauged strings onto a guitar with a worn nut then buzzing will occur. Simply replace the nut with a new one and your problem should be solved. They're cheap but, since you're not familiar with the instrument, I'd take it in and have it done for you. That way, you will be assured of getting the correct type.

12-04-2009, 02:51 AM	#38
The Drizzle D&A Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: michigan Class/Position: Sniper Defense Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [o-t] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If you want to learn how to play various songs. . .check out Tabit. I have been playing for 15 years, but I suck lol. I never really had the time to learn chords and all that jazz. I know the basics, but thats about it. Buying that program for 19 bucks is well worth it. Plenty of tabs uploaded every day.

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