So I gave up on Vista... - Page 4

Ihmhi · 01-08-2009, 07:51 AM

A few years back, Apple made OSX. OSX is not backwards compatable with previous versions of their operating system. Why'd they do it?

Long story short, the old Apple system was a mess. A lot of developers and power users griped about their software not working on OSX, but once you got the stability and other niceties considered most people didn't really mind.

A lot of the problems with Windows is all the legacy code. It really was just sort of hacked together - a little bit of code here, a little bit of code there, etc. What they really need to do is what they promised Vista would be - a brand new OS from the ground up. More secure, more stable.

Windows 7 won't be this OS, and I doubt the next one after that will be. But we can hope...

illogicality- · 01-08-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Owoc

You can disable superfetch if you don't want vista to hog ram.
You can disable search indexing if you don't want your hard disk to rattle constantly.
You can disable UAC if you don't like it.

I fail to see much other bloat in the system.

Completely agree. My unattended installation disc of Vista has exactly what he's explained. Compared to XP, Vista's GUI is a bit over the top, but so was XP compared to Windows 2000.

**mervaka** · 01-08-2009, 07:30 PM

but why can't we get the option of having a lightweight GUI like windows 2000?

Owoc · 01-08-2009, 07:46 PM

What do you mean by that?

**mervaka** · 01-08-2009, 08:01 PM

low memory usage. how much does vista use when stripped back as far as it goes?

4est · 01-08-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by illogicality-

...Vista has such a bad rep because of these bargain shoppers who go to best buy/walmart and expect to buy the $299 special (1.8ghz, 512mb, 160gb) and have it run like a dream. Not gonna happen. I've been using Vista for 8 months now and have never had a blue screen or any issue. Of course, I don't own a bargain-bin computer (2.2ghzx4, 4gb ddr1066mhz, 160gb 10krpm hdd) but if you do it right, vista is pretty execptional.

I've seen it 8 GB of RAM for no reason whatsoever.

greenday5494 · 01-08-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4est

I've seen it 8 GB of RAM for no reason whatsoever.

It actually uses your RAM rather than let it sit there like XP. You can disable the services, though

**mervaka** · 01-08-2009, 11:57 PM

are you saying ram whoring is a good thing? its an operating system for fuck sake. applications are what should be using that ram, eg protools.

Sh4x · 01-09-2009, 12:57 AM

I just installed Vista x64 on my brand new comp and I like it so far. Only problem is finding software for x64 sometimes...

I mean, I COULD tweak the shit out of it and make it lighter on my system. I heard you can find alot of tweaks to optimize Vista, but I don't really feel the need with 8GB or RAM, Quad Core and Raid 0 honestly. Maybe later though... I dunno.

Innoc · 01-09-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ihmhi

A few years back, Apple made OSX. OSX is not backwards compatable with previous versions of their operating system. Why'd they do it?

Long story short, the old Apple system was a mess. A lot of developers and power users griped about their software not working on OSX, but once you got the stability and other niceties considered most people didn't really mind.

A lot of the problems with Windows is all the legacy code. It really was just sort of hacked together - a little bit of code here, a little bit of code there, etc. What they really need to do is what they promised Vista would be - a brand new OS from the ground up. More secure, more stable.

Windows 7 won't be this OS, and I doubt the next one after that will be. But we can hope...

Everything I've read from Microsoft suggests that will NEVER happen. They've made it pretty clear that coding an Operating System from scratch that creates a 15 GB footprint on your drive is not realistic. Even in the Linux world we build off the prior generation.

You're absolutely correct that pre-OSX Apple's OS was a mess. They did not, however, build from scratch. They pieced together elements from Linux, BSD, other *nix and various bits of code that made sense for what they were trying to accomplish.

Circuitous · 01-09-2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mervaka

are you saying ram whoring is a good thing? its an operating system for fuck sake. applications are what should be using that ram, eg protools.

It stops using it when something else calls for it.

That's not a difficult point to grasp, is it?

Vista only uses up the RAM when nothing else is. No program will ever suddenly be turned down access to RAM because Vista is using it. Stop being idiots.

Owoc · 01-09-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

It stops using it when something else calls for it.

That's not a difficult point to grasp, is it?

Vista only uses up the RAM when nothing else is. No program will ever suddenly be turned down access to RAM because Vista is using it. Stop being idiots.

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low memory usage. how much does vista use when stripped back as far as it goes?

Vista's new graphics ("DWM, desktop window manager") eat 15-20MB, but you can disable even that (it'll still look better than XP's over-saturated blue borders imo). Without Superfetch and DWM my system is sitting just under 300MB when doing nothing (not that I normally disable Superfetch, again, read Circ's post above).

**mervaka** · 01-09-2009, 01:09 PM

http://xkcd.com/528/

illogicality- · 01-09-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 4est

I've seen it 8 GB of RAM for no reason whatsoever.

Can you say memory leak? I only have 4gb and Vista has never come close to running out of RAM on my system. It typically uses 1.5gb to 2gb but that's with 2 IE windows open (with probably 2-4 tabs in each), Steam, Vent, IRC, some MSI monitoring apps and Winamp.

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Originally Posted by Sh4x

I just installed Vista x64 on my brand new comp and I like it so far. Only problem is finding software for x64 sometimes...

I mean, I COULD tweak the shit out of it and make it lighter on my system. I heard you can find alot of tweaks to optimize Vista, but I don't really feel the need with 8GB or RAM, Quad Core and Raid 0 honestly. Maybe later though... I dunno.

Depending on your hardware x64 drivers can be a bit more difficult to find. I have all new stuff (MSI K9N2 Diamond board, razer barracuda audio, geforce 9800gx2) so drivers were never a problem for me. Even with 8gb, tweaking a few things on vista (like indexing and superfetch) will make it run even faster - I'd suggest it. Let me know how you like it, though.

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Originally Posted by mervaka

but why can't we get the option of having a lightweight GUI like windows 2000?

You can and it does use less ram. It's not JUST the GUI that uses ram though, there is a LOT more going on under the hood than W2K had.

Sh4x · 01-09-2009, 02:30 PM

I went with an Asus board and a nvidia video card so no problem with drivers. Well, actually, the only driver I'm missing is the one for my dell 2001fp monitor. It just doesn't exists for Vista and I'm stuck with a default monitor driver which seems to be doing the job alright or else I'm pretty sure Dell would have released a driver for it.

I might disable indexing and superfetch but I wanna use the comp for a while before I do to see if I will use these features or not (indexing). Superfetch I haven't checked out what it does yet.

illogicality- · 01-09-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh4x

I went with an Asus board and a nvidia video card so no problem with drivers. Well, actually, the only driver I'm missing is the one for my dell 2001fp monitor. It just doesn't exists for Vista and I'm stuck with a default monitor driver which seems to be doing the job alright or else I'm pretty sure Dell would have released a driver for it.

I might disable indexing and superfetch but I wanna use the comp for a while before I do to see if I will use these features or not (indexing). Superfetch I haven't checked out what it does yet.

good things

Your monitor really shouldn't require a driver, though... unless it has USB ports on the back in which case it may need some sort of USB Hub driver.. but Vista should come packaged with a driver that will work for that. Who knows.

greenday5494 · 01-09-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

It stops using it when something else calls for it.

That's not a difficult point to grasp, is it?

Vista only uses up the RAM when nothing else is. No program will ever suddenly be turned down access to RAM because Vista is using it. Stop being idiots.

Thank you for not being ignorant.

Sh4x · 01-11-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by illogicality-

good things

Your monitor really shouldn't require a driver, though... unless it has USB ports on the back in which case it may need some sort of USB Hub driver.. but Vista should come packaged with a driver that will work for that. Who knows.

Actually, in some occasions you need to install the correct monitor driver to be able to use the monitor's best configuration in terms of refresh rate.

Credge · 01-11-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mervaka

low memory usage. how much does vista use when stripped back as far as it goes?

Just slightly more than XP. It's not noticeable at all.

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01-08-2009, 07:30 PM	#63
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	but why can't we get the option of having a lightweight GUI like windows 2000?

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Owoc natural selection player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: subset of R×R×R Class/Position: alien (fade), marine (comm) Gametype: classic ns Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What do you mean by that?

01-08-2009, 08:01 PM	#65
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	low memory usage. how much does vista use when stripped back as far as it goes?

01-08-2009, 11:57 PM	#68
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	are you saying ram whoring is a good thing? its an operating system for fuck sake. applications are what should be using that ram, eg protools.

01-09-2009, 12:57 AM	#69
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I just installed Vista x64 on my brand new comp and I like it so far. Only problem is finding software for x64 sometimes... I mean, I COULD tweak the shit out of it and make it lighter on my system. I heard you can find alot of tweaks to optimize Vista, but I don't really feel the need with 8GB or RAM, Quad Core and Raid 0 honestly. Maybe later though... I dunno.

01-09-2009, 01:09 PM	#73
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	http://xkcd.com/528/

01-09-2009, 02:30 PM	#75
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I went with an Asus board and a nvidia video card so no problem with drivers. Well, actually, the only driver I'm missing is the one for my dell 2001fp monitor. It just doesn't exists for Vista and I'm stuck with a default monitor driver which seems to be doing the job alright or else I'm pretty sure Dell would have released a driver for it. I might disable indexing and superfetch but I wanna use the comp for a while before I do to see if I will use these features or not (indexing). Superfetch I haven't checked out what it does yet.

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