Clan practice

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:31 PM

Something strange happened last night, The EO clan was getting ready to practice and asked all the non-members to leave.

Why is that strange?

Back in the day, if a clan server was full and the clan wanted to practice, all the non-members joined one team (or were moved to one team by the admin) and all the clan members joined the other team.

This provided the clan a chance to practice against fresh meat.

When a clan only plays against their selves, they improve very little. They already know the offensive and defensive strategies. Playing against fresh people provides the chance for the clan to put their strategies to a test.

I would have liked the chance to go against some EO clan members in 2fort5dev, but noooo - I was asked to leave.

Its ok, I would have asked me to leave to. EO clan would have been embrassed when I handed their A$$e$ back to them on a silver platter.

Gator- · 04-10-2008, 03:36 PM

hi, this is not the place to complain...

but anyways. when a clan practices...it means coming up with strategies without any interruptions (this include pubbers), not to play against pubbers who have no clue what they're doing

eO should get a private server for scrims/matches/practice so they could stop killing the server all the time

VinnytheBoss · 04-10-2008, 03:39 PM

your sadly mistaken....half the the pubbers that play this game are very "fresh" meat as you put it...thats exactly it....I lead a clan called Goodfellas...maybe you heard of them..maybe not...but goodfellas generally practice against each other regardless if we know the strategy or not...its all about learning your concs....knowing what to do in each situation...whether dm or conc or bhop or whatever the case may be...

I am quite sure eO doesn't want practice against a team whether they are noobs or not. For the most part its disorganized and quite simply they just dont get anything out of it...

I am not sure what clan you play for (if you even play for one) but you are mistaken bro.

tml · 04-10-2008, 03:40 PM

No it's not like that. You cant expect them to play a bunch of pubbers using their strategy. Pubbing and competitive gameplay are two different worlds and to have a clan practice against pubbers would not help one bit.

edit : beaten

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirTiger

hi, this is not the place to complain...

Its not a complaint, I just do not understand why I see these clans practice only with their selves.

Standard operating procedure should be - develop the defensive and offensive strategies. Then test these strategies on pubs before a real match. Public / non-clan players can help test for holes in the strategies before it really counts - such as a real clan match.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tml

No it's not like that. You cant expect them to play a bunch of pubbers using their strategy. Pubbing and competitive gameplay are two different worlds and to have a clan practice against pubbers would not help one bit.

No their not, one is organized one is dis-organized game play.

Clans need to test their game play with different styles of strategy. Playing the same thing over and over get you no where.

tml · 04-10-2008, 03:45 PM

40 or not the point is that its way easier/more efficient to practice against your own teammates because they will LISTEN and play positions and in most cases are alot better than pubbers, so better practice

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tml

40 or not the point is that its way easier/more efficient to practice against your own teammates because they will LISTEN and play positions and in most cases are alot better than pubbers, so better practice

Maybe you didnt read my first post? It clearly stated - clan on one team, non clan on the other team.

So were does listen and play positions come into factor with that?

Turn all talk off so the clan can only talk between their selves.

Theories have to be tested by an independent source to be proven right or wrong. Playing with the same people over and over again does not inject new ideas or new strategies into the practice. So the game play is not being truely tested.

VinnytheBoss · 04-10-2008, 03:53 PM

yo listen bro./...its simply a waste of time to play against pubbers....if anything just use your valuable time to play offense vs defense with the clan...

having such a talented clan i would prefer nothing more then to OvD within my own clan being that would be our best efforts to emulate a 5v5 match.

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:56 PM

Example:

Last night a scout kept trying to conc jump to the top of the elevator in the ramp room. I just put a despensor in the door way, which blocked his path. As soon as he conced, the sentry gun would take him out. He got by one time after the despensor was destroyed. His strategy was flawed, but he kept trying and trying - and he failed over and over. It was if that was the only strategy he had. Not once did he conc through the grate, or to the top of the snipers deck. There were 3 different paths he could have taken, but was focused on only one.

04-10-2008, 03:58 PM

I don't like seeing one or two servers with people in them and passworded when there's nowhere else to go either. However, it is their server and they can practice how they want to. They would probably still lock it sometimes even if they did decide to hold public practices.

Suite307 · 04-10-2008, 03:59 PM

Don't know where you got that idea, but all the clans i've been in since 1998 had always have private practice.

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnytheBoss

yo listen bro./...its simply a waste of time to play against pubbers....

First - I am not your bro

Second - I am a loner, I do not play in clans. Been there done that, it aint for me.

Third - I promise, I will not waste your time.

Its not fair to the good players for "clan members" to group all "pubs" together.

tml · 04-10-2008, 04:01 PM

Okay so you played some crappy ass scout that didnt learn. Still doesn't get away from the fact that 5v5'ing against pubbers wont emulate a match, it would be too easy

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tml

Still doesn't get away from the fact that 5v5'ing against pubbers wont emulate a match, it would be too easy

Ok, I am calling you on that.

What clan are you in TML? You are being challenged.

Give me a few days to pick the "pub" players I want on my team.

04-10-2008, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Example:

Last night a scout kept trying to conc jump to the top of the elevator in the ramp room. I just put a despensor in the door way, which blocked his path. As soon as he conced, the sentry gun would take him out. He got by one time after the despensor was destroyed. His strategy was flawed, but he kept trying and trying - and he failed over and over. It was if that was the only strategy he had. Not once did he conc through the grate, or to the top of the snipers deck. There were 3 different paths he could have taken, but was focused on only one.

There's a lot more to the average gamer than winning at any cost. It sounds like he may have been trying to overcome your defenses rather than actually going for the flag. It's fun to keep at something to see if you can end up beating it.

Dr.Satan · 04-10-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

3.3. Do NOT make threads whining/complaining about how server XYZ is lame because it banned you. If you have issues with specific servers, take it up in with those individual server operators.

/thread

GeoKill-----> · 04-10-2008, 09:05 PM

lol We do need a private server

04-10-2008, 03:31 PM	#1
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Clan practice Something strange happened last night, The EO clan was getting ready to practice and asked all the non-members to leave. Why is that strange? Back in the day, if a clan server was full and the clan wanted to practice, all the non-members joined one team (or were moved to one team by the admin) and all the clan members joined the other team. This provided the clan a chance to practice against fresh meat. When a clan only plays against their selves, they improve very little. They already know the offensive and defensive strategies. Playing against fresh people provides the chance for the clan to put their strategies to a test. I would have liked the chance to go against some EO clan members in 2fort5dev, but noooo - I was asked to leave. Its ok, I would have asked me to leave to. EO clan would have been embrassed when I handed their A$$e$ back to them on a silver platter.

04-10-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	hi, this is not the place to complain... but anyways. when a clan practices...it means coming up with strategies without any interruptions (this include pubbers), not to play against pubbers who have no clue what they're doing eO should get a private server for scrims/matches/practice so they could stop killing the server all the time __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON]

04-10-2008, 09:05 PM	#17
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04-10-2008, 03:39 PM	#3
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	your sadly mistaken....half the the pubbers that play this game are very "fresh" meat as you put it...thats exactly it....I lead a clan called Goodfellas...maybe you heard of them..maybe not...but goodfellas generally practice against each other regardless if we know the strategy or not...its all about learning your concs....knowing what to do in each situation...whether dm or conc or bhop or whatever the case may be... I am quite sure eO doesn't want practice against a team whether they are noobs or not. For the most part its disorganized and quite simply they just dont get anything out of it... I am not sure what clan you play for (if you even play for one) but you are mistaken bro.

04-10-2008, 03:40 PM	#4
tml make it rain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bay Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	No it's not like that. You cant expect them to play a bunch of pubbers using their strategy. Pubbing and competitive gameplay are two different worlds and to have a clan practice against pubbers would not help one bit. edit : beaten

04-10-2008, 03:45 PM	#6
tml make it rain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bay Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	40 or not the point is that its way easier/more efficient to practice against your own teammates because they will LISTEN and play positions and in most cases are alot better than pubbers, so better practice

04-10-2008, 03:53 PM	#8
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	yo listen bro./...its simply a waste of time to play against pubbers....if anything just use your valuable time to play offense vs defense with the clan... having such a talented clan i would prefer nothing more then to OvD within my own clan being that would be our best efforts to emulate a 5v5 match.

04-10-2008, 03:56 PM	#9
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Example: Last night a scout kept trying to conc jump to the top of the elevator in the ramp room. I just put a despensor in the door way, which blocked his path. As soon as he conced, the sentry gun would take him out. He got by one time after the despensor was destroyed. His strategy was flawed, but he kept trying and trying - and he failed over and over. It was if that was the only strategy he had. Not once did he conc through the grate, or to the top of the snipers deck. There were 3 different paths he could have taken, but was focused on only one.

04-10-2008, 03:58 PM	#10
Drunken Zealot Guest Posts Rated Helpful 7 Times	I don't like seeing one or two servers with people in them and passworded when there's nowhere else to go either. However, it is their server and they can practice how they want to. They would probably still lock it sometimes even if they did decide to hold public practices.

04-10-2008, 03:59 PM	#11
Suite307 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Don't know where you got that idea, but all the clans i've been in since 1998 had always have private practice.

04-10-2008, 04:01 PM	#13
tml make it rain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bay Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Okay so you played some crappy ass scout that didnt learn. Still doesn't get away from the fact that 5v5'ing against pubbers wont emulate a match, it would be too easy

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