Vertex Jumping

o_imbrifer · 07-15-2006, 03:52 PM

So in the last couple months (since the ugly update for Source SDK) I've had the problem where I'll make maps with nicely aligned verticies, but when I load the map again the verticies are all screwed up. Misaligned and such - especially on circular architecture.

Anyone else having this problem?

Is there any way around it besides awaiting an apparently non-existent patch?

omega · 07-15-2006, 06:13 PM

I think this is caused from having invalid brushes. Once you save, quit, and open up Hammer again, it'll fix them to make them "valid."

At least I *think* this is what's going on, I might be wrong though.

o_imbrifer · 07-15-2006, 06:59 PM

The problem-checking thing doesn't say they are invalid. Could be, I suppose. I'll see if it compiles without issues once I get to that point.

Defrag · 07-16-2006, 12:13 AM

It's just hammer hating you. It happens to us all.

Triangulate your geometry as best you can and it will stop this happening (it's very hard to make an invalid brush that only has 3 or 4 faces).

o_nezumi · 07-16-2006, 07:12 AM

Tying the offending geometry to func_brush or func_detail sometimes helps too.

o_fisheye · 07-17-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

It's just hammer hating you. It happens to us all.

too true

Quote:

Triangulate your geometry as best you can and it will stop this happening (it's very hard to make an invalid brush that only has 3 or 4 faces).

it's very hard, even impossible, to make any brush with 3 faces, but i've messed up plenty that had 4.

Defrag · 07-17-2006, 10:47 AM

Yeah I was trying to visualise it in my head when typing that. I think I went one side too few

o_stino · 07-17-2006, 07:19 PM

thx imbrifer, ff badlands has the same problem, those lighting problems with the displacements were caused by the verticles that were moved 0.01254 units along the x-axis, and 0.1678 along the y-axis, and 1.147 along the z axis

, so if you select and move a brush that one wile be aligned to the grid so, not with the movement of 0,.... units :s

(open the vmf in notepad and look at their coordinates)

o_imbrifer · 07-17-2006, 08:18 PM

What I've gathered is that you can adjust all of the damn vertexes back to where they are supposed to be, compile and run the thing. If all of them are in place when you compile, they end up in place in the game. Is this correct?

If not, then I have no idea how I'm going to finish a couple maps I'm working on.

Defrag · 07-18-2006, 10:13 AM

like I said, triangulate your brushwork. It fixes most of this stuff.

07-15-2006, 03:52 PM	#1
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Vertex Jumping So in the last couple months (since the ugly update for Source SDK) I've had the problem where I'll make maps with nicely aligned verticies, but when I load the map again the verticies are all screwed up. Misaligned and such - especially on circular architecture. Anyone else having this problem? Is there any way around it besides awaiting an apparently non-existent patch?

07-16-2006, 12:13 AM	#4
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's just hammer hating you. It happens to us all. Triangulate your geometry as best you can and it will stop this happening (it's very hard to make an invalid brush that only has 3 or 4 faces). __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

07-17-2006, 10:47 AM	#7
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah I was trying to visualise it in my head when typing that. I think I went one side too few __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

07-18-2006, 10:13 AM	#10
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	like I said, triangulate your brushwork. It fixes most of this stuff. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

07-15-2006, 06:13 PM	#2
omega Retired FF Staff Join Date: May 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think this is caused from having invalid brushes. Once you save, quit, and open up Hammer again, it'll fix them to make them "valid." At least I think this is what's going on, I might be wrong though.

07-15-2006, 06:59 PM	#3
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The problem-checking thing doesn't say they are invalid. Could be, I suppose. I'll see if it compiles without issues once I get to that point.

07-16-2006, 07:12 AM	#5
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Tying the offending geometry to func_brush or func_detail sometimes helps too.

07-17-2006, 07:19 PM	#8
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	thx imbrifer, ff badlands has the same problem, those lighting problems with the displacements were caused by the verticles that were moved 0.01254 units along the x-axis, and 0.1678 along the y-axis, and 1.147 along the z axis , so if you select and move a brush that one wile be aligned to the grid so, not with the movement of 0,.... units :s (open the vmf in notepad and look at their coordinates)

07-17-2006, 08:18 PM	#9
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What I've gathered is that you can adjust all of the damn vertexes back to where they are supposed to be, compile and run the thing. If all of them are in place when you compile, they end up in place in the game. Is this correct? If not, then I have no idea how I'm going to finish a couple maps I'm working on.

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