FF_Amped

o_ginger lord · 01-11-2006, 03:49 PM

Righty-ho. Now I have got the source for this, I've started a new thread so we don't get lost in ther abyss of the old thread. What do you like about Amped from the screens and old beta release? What would you like to see changed?

Heres the old thread for the mentally incapable and visually impaired:

http://forums.fortress-forever.com/viewtopic.php?t=1225

Whilst I did a quick run around previously doing some optimisation it looked good, now I have dug deeper the map is quite well constructed but with some glaring problems with the actual build method of it. I could just glaze over it but that would come back and haunt me, so I'm going around and redoing each room at a time.

o_blueguy · 01-11-2006, 04:29 PM

What exactly is proper build method? If you could perhaps briefly explain? I'm curious because I've started mapping recently and I do not want to start learning bad habits which could cause "glaring" problems to my map, resulting in me redoing it.

o_ginger lord · 01-11-2006, 04:42 PM

Well, everyone maps differently so there is no "proper" method but you should never:

Use the carve tool
Overlap brushes
Do lots of little fiddly detail where its not needed
Map at grid unit size 1 (Ok, you can do this but things get messy after a while when lining stuff up)
Leave unseen faces texture, use NoDraw on these
Leave props that you cannot get anywhere near as "Use Vphysics"
Leave point_spotlights "Use Dynamic Light" flag on.

Ambex had a large amount of the last two before I optimised his map earlier, just doing about 1/4 of the blue base knocked 10 minutes of the compile time and put the fps up by 30-60fps. Most of this was the dynamic lights.

Whilst the map is a work of art, it could have been made a lot simpler and is giving me headaches now. Its workable but its about twice as complex as is needed.

o_darknight · 01-11-2006, 04:53 PM

Make (sure) that it's concable and you can bunnyhop around the map without getting blocked by random stuff on the walls/ceilings, which it looks like you cant do in beta2, from the screenies. Don't know how you'd achieve it though, without destroying its looks...

o_ginger lord · 01-11-2006, 04:56 PM

Clip brushes are your friend, I intend to make prop objects non solid (obvious larger things will be, little stuff will be non solid) and the roof area will either be clipped off or clipped so that you can conc up into it and rather than be stopped by a invisible ceiling, Ill clip it at an angle so you can go up there and slide back out rather than get caught up.

o_nezumi · 01-11-2006, 07:05 PM

You mean like A instead of B or C?

o_ginger lord · 01-11-2006, 07:44 PM

Sort of, I'll get a Hammer pic to explain later.

o_ambex · 01-11-2006, 07:56 PM

Saw you started a new thread, looks allready good comparing to 14 pages and 1.

To Gingerlord:

yes in some areas the brushwork goes overboard, (flagroom for example) that part is kinda hard to do. erm.. and many of other rooms looks clean, but as mentioned before the north side is kinda messed up.. would be great to see how it will look like when you will spicy it up. That idea about conc jumping doesnt sound to be necesarry or is it?

Well keep going pushin on this map while im going to work on amped2. (yes, not surprised yet kids? It's on the way from the hammer factory with more eyecandy and all the stuff amped1 was missing.) But this all is after my studies. Honestly gingerlord can do maps and on some way i still feel that i sucks on mapping, dont know but the clipping tools is kinda awsome now.

I would also see some kind of a new elevator (my old one sucks, had to use the enteties from the tuturial sites because i had like had much interest in making elevators and trains.. and all that stuff you know. My head was thinking more on layout, the look of the map and eyecandy, btw gameplay was also an important thing for tfc..

Well..

Go ahead.

o_donny · 01-12-2006, 12:25 AM

Ambex gave the project to the right guy

o_ginger lord · 01-12-2006, 12:48 AM

Heres a quick diagram to explain:

Top down view of a corridor but same principle applies to pipes in ceiling etc. Red brushes are clips, black walls and pillars. The clip allows people to conc down the corridor and not get caught on stuff.

o_skanky butterpuss · 01-12-2006, 12:59 AM

very nice

o_frenchtoast · 01-12-2006, 03:37 AM

Hah.

Anyhoo, fix the lights!

And why is it FF_Amped? What's wrong with just Amped. I don't like the FF prefix.

o_skanky butterpuss · 01-12-2006, 03:39 AM

thats just the source method of titling maps i guess. mod abbreviation as a prefix. all mods have done it (that i have seen). of course, some have different prefixes based on different game modes, but yeah.

o_shadow34721 · 01-12-2006, 04:00 AM

i thought devs said maps would have to EARN the ff prefix?

Circuitous · 01-12-2006, 04:07 AM

I don't remember seeing anything about that, although I vaguely recall them not liking it except that it'd make it easier to search for them.

o_tennovan · 01-12-2006, 04:08 AM

why not just abbreviate with gametype, as said before. CTF_Amped or AVD_Amped or Hunted_Amped or IloveTacos_Amped

Circuitous · 01-12-2006, 04:15 AM

Because 1. what if a gametype doesn't fit into a neat abbreviation? You don't want stupidly complicated prefixes... and you can add the gametype to the beginning anyway, and 2. that doesn't facilitate searching at all.

o_frenchtoast · 01-12-2006, 04:33 AM

How about...

get ready for it...

you ready?

Amped!

o_shadow34721 · 01-12-2006, 04:37 AM

im fairly sure there was a 20 page arguement about CTF and AVD prefixes a while back and it ended up locked due to degenerating into a flame war.

o_frenchtoast · 01-12-2006, 04:38 AM

Like so many other threads here. It's a shame that's what happens. At the Snarkpit you can have huge debates, but it never sinks to insults, so they go on.

01-11-2006, 03:49 PM	#1
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	FF_Amped Righty-ho. Now I have got the source for this, I've started a new thread so we don't get lost in ther abyss of the old thread. What do you like about Amped from the screens and old beta release? What would you like to see changed? Heres the old thread for the mentally incapable and visually impaired: http://forums.fortress-forever.com/viewtopic.php?t=1225 Whilst I did a quick run around previously doing some optimisation it looked good, now I have dug deeper the map is quite well constructed but with some glaring problems with the actual build method of it. I could just glaze over it but that would come back and haunt me, so I'm going around and redoing each room at a time.

01-11-2006, 04:42 PM	#3
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, everyone maps differently so there is no "proper" method but you should never: Use the carve tool Overlap brushes Do lots of little fiddly detail where its not needed Map at grid unit size 1 (Ok, you can do this but things get messy after a while when lining stuff up) Leave unseen faces texture, use NoDraw on these Leave props that you cannot get anywhere near as "Use Vphysics" Leave point_spotlights "Use Dynamic Light" flag on. Ambex had a large amount of the last two before I optimised his map earlier, just doing about 1/4 of the blue base knocked 10 minutes of the compile time and put the fps up by 30-60fps. Most of this was the dynamic lights. Whilst the map is a work of art, it could have been made a lot simpler and is giving me headaches now. Its workable but its about twice as complex as is needed.

01-12-2006, 04:07 AM	#15
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I don't remember seeing anything about that, although I vaguely recall them not liking it except that it'd make it easier to search for them. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

01-12-2006, 04:15 AM	#17
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Because 1. what if a gametype doesn't fit into a neat abbreviation? You don't want stupidly complicated prefixes... and you can add the gametype to the beginning anyway, and 2. that doesn't facilitate searching at all. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

01-11-2006, 04:29 PM	#2
o_blueguy Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What exactly is proper build method? If you could perhaps briefly explain? I'm curious because I've started mapping recently and I do not want to start learning bad habits which could cause "glaring" problems to my map, resulting in me redoing it.

01-11-2006, 04:53 PM	#4
o_darknight Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Make (sure) that it's concable and you can bunnyhop around the map without getting blocked by random stuff on the walls/ceilings, which it looks like you cant do in beta2, from the screenies. Don't know how you'd achieve it though, without destroying its looks...

01-11-2006, 04:56 PM	#5
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Clip brushes are your friend, I intend to make prop objects non solid (obvious larger things will be, little stuff will be non solid) and the roof area will either be clipped off or clipped so that you can conc up into it and rather than be stopped by a invisible ceiling, Ill clip it at an angle so you can go up there and slide back out rather than get caught up.

01-11-2006, 07:05 PM	#6
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You mean like A instead of B or C?

01-11-2006, 07:44 PM	#7
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sort of, I'll get a Hammer pic to explain later.

01-11-2006, 07:56 PM	#8
o_ambex Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Saw you started a new thread, looks allready good comparing to 14 pages and 1. To Gingerlord: yes in some areas the brushwork goes overboard, (flagroom for example) that part is kinda hard to do. erm.. and many of other rooms looks clean, but as mentioned before the north side is kinda messed up.. would be great to see how it will look like when you will spicy it up. That idea about conc jumping doesnt sound to be necesarry or is it? Well keep going pushin on this map while im going to work on amped2. (yes, not surprised yet kids? It's on the way from the hammer factory with more eyecandy and all the stuff amped1 was missing.) But this all is after my studies. Honestly gingerlord can do maps and on some way i still feel that i sucks on mapping, dont know but the clipping tools is kinda awsome now. I would also see some kind of a new elevator (my old one sucks, had to use the enteties from the tuturial sites because i had like had much interest in making elevators and trains.. and all that stuff you know. My head was thinking more on layout, the look of the map and eyecandy, btw gameplay was also an important thing for tfc.. Well.. Go ahead.

01-12-2006, 12:25 AM	#9
o_donny Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ambex gave the project to the right guy

01-12-2006, 12:48 AM	#10
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Heres a quick diagram to explain: Top down view of a corridor but same principle applies to pipes in ceiling etc. Red brushes are clips, black walls and pillars. The clip allows people to conc down the corridor and not get caught on stuff.

01-12-2006, 12:59 AM	#11
o_skanky butterpuss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampon, FL Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	very nice

01-12-2006, 03:37 AM	#12
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hah. Anyhoo, fix the lights! And why is it FF_Amped? What's wrong with just Amped. I don't like the FF prefix.

01-12-2006, 03:39 AM	#13
o_skanky butterpuss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampon, FL Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	thats just the source method of titling maps i guess. mod abbreviation as a prefix. all mods have done it (that i have seen). of course, some have different prefixes based on different game modes, but yeah.

01-12-2006, 04:00 AM	#14
o_shadow34721 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i thought devs said maps would have to EARN the ff prefix?

01-12-2006, 04:08 AM	#16
o_tennovan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	why not just abbreviate with gametype, as said before. CTF_Amped or AVD_Amped or Hunted_Amped or IloveTacos_Amped

01-12-2006, 04:33 AM	#18
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	How about... get ready for it... you ready? Amped!

01-12-2006, 04:37 AM	#19
o_shadow34721 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im fairly sure there was a 20 page arguement about CTF and AVD prefixes a while back and it ended up locked due to degenerating into a flame war.

01-12-2006, 04:38 AM	#20
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Like so many other threads here. It's a shame that's what happens. At the Snarkpit you can have huge debates, but it never sinks to insults, so they go on.

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