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08-31-2010, 11:13 AM | #1 | |
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Illegal Immigration is a net boon to the economy, despite what the bigots say
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The reason why immigrants come here illegally is not to simply break our laws because they're dirty criminals, they come here illegally because it's virtually impossible to come to this country legally. There's so much red tape (something Conservatives decry any day of the week, except when it comes to allowing brown people into our country) that it can take up 20 years for a perfectly capable, entirely healthy, worker to come to the United States. Many of the people in countries like Mexico (they're not just from Mexico, many hundreds of thousands of dirt poor immigrants come from Asia, the Phillipines, etc.) are unable to feed their families in their home country, so they come here. If we got rid of the red tape, and made the quota bigger (allowing more immigrants to come here) and more relaxed, there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem anymore. Of course, in a debate centered completely around hysterics, common sense is commonly overlooked. Basically, what the illegal immigration debate boils down to, is xenophobia/nativist pride, who are afraid of people coming here and degrading what they see as a static American culture. Of course, to the rational observer, we realize there is no such thing as static culture, change is inevitable, and should be welcomed. Or perhaps it's more insidious than culture, and has to do with skin color?
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08-31-2010, 11:15 AM | #2 |
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09-01-2010, 07:45 AM | #3 |
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i think a lot needs to be changed about the immigration policy but also we need to deal with the countries these people come from. why because the reason people come into our country illegally in the first place is because they are dirt poor, at risk of dying every time they leave the house, or just at risk of horrible things happening to them at all times of the day. or they want a better future for there kids, they want there kids to mean something. and Americas motto has always been to let everyone in.
so they come in, now im not looking at statistics im looking at it a different way. because illegals are often willing to work for cheap, cheaper than the American worker will work for. so the illegals take up all the low paying jobs that nobody wants to do. however they also take jobs that kids used to do. so all those jobs like a news paper route are now done by illegals instead of a kid. so kids can't get a job when there 15-17 i mean they can but not as many as before. sure its kinda good that they do jobs that we don't want to do. i think its a bit sad honestly. but honestly looking apon it they due affect job distribution. maybe not in the end impacting much on your chart but they do certainly effect job distribution. even all that aside its not necessarily bad. maybe it will just change the jobs that people do. so then what is a big problem. is that they don't pay taxes why don't they pay taxes. because they don't live here legally so there not documented. so they don't get taxed. i think that's the biggest problem, why is it a problem because we give out free health care and a lot of other stuff. so that being said we loosing money on our health care systems that were set up before illegal immigration was a problem. in other wards they cost a lot fo money. and there taking money from our pockets. so yes i think that its a problem in that respect. while they do live here and work harder than many Americans at jobs that we would hardly call fun jobs. they also appreciate our freedom more than we often do. they don't take the freedom we have for granted but as a privilege these are things we all should do but we don't. these are quality's that we should all have but we don't. all immigrants often share these qualities having new people coming in to your county is good in a lot of ways TL;DR we need to fix our immigration system i think letting them all in isn't the answer but not letting any in isn't the answer either. nice post by the way (the bigot part was unnecessary though.)
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The easiest way to solve this whole illegal immigrant thing, is to make Mexico the 51st state. Don't think it'll happen? It probably will, and sooner than many of you may think.
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09-02-2010, 07:26 AM | #5 |
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this idea might just work. also declare Canada the official hat of the USA
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09-03-2010, 12:16 AM | #6 |
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oh lawd... where to start.
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09-03-2010, 03:38 PM | #9 |
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Here?
1. Why do people like, Obama who think a country should have some sort of belief that they should have some sort right to enforce or put in place a fair imigration policy, called bigots?
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09-04-2010, 06:20 AM | #10 |
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Rewrite your question in English and you might get a response.
Anyway, economists have always known that immigration has a net economic benefit. The reasons are obvious enough. The empirical research of the United States has been published in the scholarly literature for years now. But racists on the right have ignored it and have instead pandered to ideology. But the ideology of the right is misguided and their support for "free markets" completely hypocritical. In fact, economists have recognized this for a long time. If we go back to Adam Smith, he essentially recognized it's impossible to talk about "free markets" without the "free movement of labor." One cannot exist without the other. The latter is necessary condition for the former. Wrote Smith, "the policy of Europe, by obstructing the free circulation of labor and stock both from employment to employment, and from place to place, occasions in some cases a very inconvenient inequality in the whole of the advantages and disadvantages of their different employments….Whatever obstructs the free circulation of labor from one employment to another obstructs that of stock likewise." So you can't have "free markets" without the free circulation of labor. Instead, however, the right has been working very hard to ensure that any semblance of free markets is destroyed in restricting the mobility of labor. President Clinton, in fact, went so far as to militarize the border in 1994 in what was called Operation Gatekeeper. That was, keep in mind, under the banner of "free trade" commonly referred to as NAFTA, which is an interesting name because only the "NA" part is accurate. Now, I could talk a lot about NAFTA, but I don't want to digress too much. Suffice it to say there's a been a lot of work in this country to ensure that the circulation of labor is not free, i.e. that free markets don't exist. And that's all very purposeful. But the right champion "free markets."
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