(Beta) ff_basicbowl Beta2 [Update May 13th]

Pon · 10-27-2007, 05:48 PM

I got a bit irritated with the lack of much of anything other than CTF and Conc maps (fair enough if you enjoy them I guess, I just don't so much), so I started a new AvD/Dustbowl style map...

Nothing new, different, or in any way startling as the name suggests. Quick and dirty is the best way to describe it I guess...

Still needs a fair bit of work, but the layout is done and it all works. Detail and improved lighting to be done mostly, as well as the area gates looking like a bag of shit...

So, screens so far:

Starting spawn
First cap area
Cap 2 start area
Second cap area
Cap 3 start area
Final cap area

As well as a Beta (has a shitty loading screen :P, so extract to the base FF folder and it should all work fine.): ff_basicbowl_b1

EDIT: Can't be bothered to clean up the topic :P But, here's Beta 2 for those interested. See my latest post in the topic for more info:

ff_basicbowl_b2
(No loading screen, just map, lua, txt and res)

own3r · 10-27-2007, 06:29 PM

A few things which strike me immediately:

You have very dark depressing lighting, change it to sunset or sunrise as they are far more interesting and you can actually see whats going on!

Texture theme is quite generic, why not try something a bit different;
Have most of the structural walls as cliffs and have metal 'additions' to the walls to make detail elements such as doorways and roof supports. It will make the map a lot more interesting if you do it right. Or you could have the detail you have already got blend into cliffs/rocks.

Pon · 10-28-2007, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by own3r

It will make the map a lot more interesting if you do it right.

That's why I've kept it simple! I'd fuck it up somehow if I tried to make it more complex :P

Seriously though, yeah it does look pretty generic, mostly due to the speed I was trying to make the map in (around 4 days or so), coupled with my inexeperience in mapping - was on a deadline for a gather, but then it never even got used 'cos the server admin wasn't there to add it

. I'll think of something to make it look less bland though, just not sure what yet.

zSilver_Fox · 10-28-2007, 03:27 AM

I'm agreeing with own3r on this one (WTF APOCALYPSE). It's just too dark

. Need moar lights.

KubeDawg · 10-28-2007, 05:54 AM

Great lookin map, but needs to be daylight. It seems that is my main irk for FF maps. Leave dark maps for maps like Rock2 or CZ2..

**Crazycarl** · 10-28-2007, 04:54 PM

yeah, moonlight is never so bright that you can see colors. It looks like you have a great big floodlight in the sky. Put some streetlights around. You can even use lighting to make the geometry look more interesting. A light that is absent, or a different color, makes a point of interest.

Try something random to make things seem less monotonous, like a window or a vent sticking out, or some damage. It will get you out of a familiar rut.

Pon · 10-28-2007, 10:24 PM

Well, I've altered the environmental light (probably needs a bit more ambient tho), changed the sky to something a bit brighter too... Also had a go at adding in some detail.

Anyways, crappy little screenshot so you can get an idea of the general direction: here.

Improvement? Start again? Stop offending everyone's senses? :P

Pon · 05-13-2008, 03:59 PM

I see a lot of topics asking for more AvD maps have appeared of late, so here's the latest iteration of my AvD map

(even though I haven't worked on it for a few months now)

ff_basicbowl_b2

I've already had a betatest of this map, and it is fully functional. I do know of a few problems already. Here's a list of what I know about:

- Upper level probably too high
- CP3 is probably too long
- Some displacement issues, lighting, not joined etc.
- Backpacks need tweaking
- Could be signposted better, but hopefully it's signposted well enough to be playable

Anything else though, feel free to report it. Descriptive screens always welcome too

Dr.Satan · 05-13-2008, 04:06 PM

sweet!

GeoKill-----> · 05-14-2008, 04:03 AM

Nice

own3r · 05-14-2008, 11:41 AM

Looks good after exams ill be sure to check it out, at that point I can help you out in doing any changes u were after. I just hope your housekeeping with the map is good, and your not on something like grid 1!

Give me a pm if you are interested

Pon · 05-14-2008, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by own3r

Give me a pm if you are interested

PM sent

10-27-2007, 05:48 PM	#1
Pon Not choking. Yet. Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Scotland Class/Position: Demo/Def - Spy/Off Gametype: Anything but yet more fucking CTF Affiliations: FF.AvD [FF AvD/ID guild] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	[WIP]ff_basicbowl Beta2 [Update May 13th] I got a bit irritated with the lack of much of anything other than CTF and Conc maps (fair enough if you enjoy them I guess, I just don't so much), so I started a new AvD/Dustbowl style map... Nothing new, different, or in any way startling as the name suggests. Quick and dirty is the best way to describe it I guess... Still needs a fair bit of work, but the layout is done and it all works. Detail and improved lighting to be done mostly, as well as the area gates looking like a bag of shit... So, screens so far: Starting spawn First cap area Cap 2 start area Second cap area Cap 3 start area Final cap area As well as a Beta (has a shitty loading screen :P, so extract to the base FF folder and it should all work fine.): ff_basicbowl_b1 EDIT: Can't be bothered to clean up the topic :P But, here's Beta 2 for those interested. See my latest post in the topic for more info: ff_basicbowl_b2 (No loading screen, just map, lua, txt and res) __________________ Support FF: YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD UPDATE YOUR STAFF LIST! I haven't posted since 2010... Preferable to death. But only just... -\ff_basicbowl\|ff_duckhunt\|ff_rock2_qnd\|ff_vats_koth/- Last edited by Pon; 05-13-2008 at 03:53 PM.

10-27-2007, 06:29 PM	#2
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A few things which strike me immediately: You have very dark depressing lighting, change it to sunset or sunrise as they are far more interesting and you can actually see whats going on! Texture theme is quite generic, why not try something a bit different; Have most of the structural walls as cliffs and have metal 'additions' to the walls to make detail elements such as doorways and roof supports. It will make the map a lot more interesting if you do it right. Or you could have the detail you have already got blend into cliffs/rocks. Last edited by own3r; 10-27-2007 at 06:40 PM.

10-28-2007, 03:27 AM	#4
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm agreeing with own3r on this one (WTF APOCALYPSE). It's just too dark . Need moar lights. __________________ I have a nasopharyngeal and webcam... First infraction! Flaming!

10-28-2007, 05:54 AM	#5
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Great lookin map, but needs to be daylight. It seems that is my main irk for FF maps. Leave dark maps for maps like Rock2 or CZ2.. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

10-28-2007, 10:24 PM	#7
Pon Not choking. Yet. Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Scotland Class/Position: Demo/Def - Spy/Off Gametype: Anything but yet more fucking CTF Affiliations: FF.AvD [FF AvD/ID guild] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, I've altered the environmental light (probably needs a bit more ambient tho), changed the sky to something a bit brighter too... Also had a go at adding in some detail. Anyways, crappy little screenshot so you can get an idea of the general direction: here. Improvement? Start again? Stop offending everyone's senses? :P __________________ Support FF: YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD UPDATE YOUR STAFF LIST! I haven't posted since 2010... Preferable to death. But only just... -\ff_basicbowl\|ff_duckhunt\|ff_rock2_qnd\|ff_vats_koth/-

10-28-2007, 04:54 PM	#6
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	yeah, moonlight is never so bright that you can see colors. It looks like you have a great big floodlight in the sky. Put some streetlights around. You can even use lighting to make the geometry look more interesting. A light that is absent, or a different color, makes a point of interest. Try something random to make things seem less monotonous, like a window or a vent sticking out, or some damage. It will get you out of a familiar rut.

05-13-2008, 03:59 PM	#8
Pon Not choking. Yet. Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Scotland Class/Position: Demo/Def - Spy/Off Gametype: Anything but yet more fucking CTF Affiliations: FF.AvD [FF AvD/ID guild] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I see a lot of topics asking for more AvD maps have appeared of late, so here's the latest iteration of my AvD map (even though I haven't worked on it for a few months now) ff_basicbowl_b2 I've already had a betatest of this map, and it is fully functional. I do know of a few problems already. Here's a list of what I know about: - Upper level probably too high - CP3 is probably too long - Some displacement issues, lighting, not joined etc. - Backpacks need tweaking - Could be signposted better, but hopefully it's signposted well enough to be playable Anything else though, feel free to report it. Descriptive screens always welcome too __________________ Support FF: YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD UPDATE YOUR STAFF LIST! I haven't posted since 2010... Preferable to death. But only just... -\ff_basicbowl\|ff_duckhunt\|ff_rock2_qnd\|ff_vats_koth/-

05-13-2008, 04:06 PM	#9
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05-14-2008, 04:03 AM	#10
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	Nice __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

05-14-2008, 11:41 AM	#11
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looks good after exams ill be sure to check it out, at that point I can help you out in doing any changes u were after. I just hope your housekeeping with the map is good, and your not on something like grid 1! Give me a pm if you are interested

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