CZ2 Still Fails - And Suggestions

[puppychow]

I know it's easy for someone to be on the sidelines and offer not too friendly comments, but from someone who has played tfc since 2000, and followed ff closely, and noticed how cz2 was propositioned as this extremely fun new map to play - in my opinion, it still sucks. Canal Zone 2 for tfc sucked and it still sucks now, even with all the ne bells and whistles.

I cannot tell you the amount of times i have seen a populated server just die after it switches to cz2 in ff - even the new cz2. And it's really hard to say why, except you can't polish a turd. It was a turd before and it's still a turd. Doesn't matter what imporvements have been made, regarding command points etc - sometimes a map is just not friendly and cz has always been that and continues to be that.

I guess my point is that a core subset of the community may like it, but this is NOT a map that should be advertised in terms of "hey this is FF - look how fun it can be!".

You want a map that should be pushed for the next patch and advertised the fuck out of? Avanti. It's a crime that it hasn't been done justice yet...yes it's an a/d map, but it offers challenges to oldies and is also noob friendly....and it was a map that was generally populated in tfc....cz2 in tfc still lost players...sometimes you need to take the brave approach and realize a map is dead.

Want a map that addresses clanners whining of lack of working together, and "n00bs" just dm'ing in a field? A/D, by it's nature does this - and the flagship for this is not cornfield (which imo is the best map for ff atm), it's not dustbowl (ff version is just difficult to play and not satisifing), nor is it palmero (pretty but not optimized and too big)......Avanti is fucking tight.

I feel like the devs got somewhat suckered into tf2 thinking with cz2 and it's remake....it's still awful to play and most importantly no fun....i am reluctant to even say that's an opinion...it's kinda a fact. From this view, it's lame to play, and if the dev team needs a map to hang their hat on and promote and say "look at us - this is WHAT FF is all about" - it should be avanti.

Thx for reading rant....i do not propose to know more than any, i do like to think i know what is fun.....cz2 v 2.0 (even 1.0) is not.

Hang your hat on warpath or avanti for patch 3.

CZ2 is just depressing/boring/and hard to get into.

[GeoKill----->]

I Love cz2!

[puppychow]

you like cz2 as you have been privvy to its transformation and are subject to group think....from a "fun" map perspective it still sucks balls, and the bailing of players from a server as it turns to this map demonstrates this.

no one wants to play it.

think of it as the new microsoft ads with gates and seinfeld - best intentions, terrible executions.

[GeoKill----->]

With organized teams and pub teams I have found this map fun. I hated pre 2.1 cz2, I even removed it out of rotation but now I have never seen a server get empty cause of cz2.

[puppychow]

Originally Posted by GeoKill----->

With organized teams

ff isnt organised, nor was tfc...now if you want to speak to maps best for clan play, thats a diff story....

[v3rtigo]

I can't say I like cz2 as well. The map layout and design just don't appeal to me. I won't say it's turd, but it's definately not as appealing as 2fort or well. I'm not much of a command point capturing gameplay style-lover so I'm sure that plays its part.

[Agent Buckshot Moose]

The times I have played cz2 since 2.1 have not been met with an empty server. Quite the opposite in fact...

[Nuk3m]

Originally Posted by puppychow

you like cz2 as you have been privvy to its transformation and are subject to group think....from a "fun" map perspective it still sucks balls, and the bailing of players from a server as it turns to this map demonstrates this.

no one wants to play it.

think of it as the new microsoft ads with gates and seinfeld - best intentions, terrible executions.

group think? that barely happened with cz2, it was mostly jons idea. Ill agree with you however, maps like avanti, cornfield, and palermo are needed more. Those are the super fun ones in my opinion.

[mixer]

Originally Posted by puppychow

I cannot tell you the amount of times i have seen a populated server just die after it switches to cz2 in ff - even the new cz2.

dunno if the map makes the people quit or the fact that they simply dont like playing capture&hold-style.