OH CRAP , GLOBAL WARMING ...

o_lithium · 04-13-2006, 02:25 AM

Ended in 1998 ... :O

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html

o_frenchtoast · 04-13-2006, 03:45 AM

It's all a goverment conspiracy... they're out to kill us.

o_broodingdude · 04-13-2006, 05:57 AM

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It's all a goverment conspiracy... they're out to kill us.

Jericho.

**mervaka** · 04-13-2006, 10:33 AM

mmmmmmmmmm im sure.

seriously though, its been proven that carbon dioxide retains heat much better than a lot of other gases. take two clear bottles for example, and pump one with CO2, leaving the other full of air, stick thermometers down each one, then screw caps on. leave them in the sun and come back an hour or two later. the CO2 filled bottle will have risen several degrees higher.

o_jinx · 04-13-2006, 11:03 AM

Sorry, I think I'm going to believe the 99 out of 100 scientists that think global warming is a serious problem.

Here's an extensive web log contesting what he's saying:
http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/

o_backstaber · 04-13-2006, 03:26 PM

Bah, Global Warming, never believed in it. Only something thats used to scare people.

o_ginger lord · 04-13-2006, 03:39 PM

You can argue till you're blue about Global Warming and how its being caused, the fact of the matter is the Earth is still warming up, Global Warming or not.

Its getting warmer, ice is melting, sea levels are rising, weather is becoming more unpredictable. Fact.

o_smax · 04-13-2006, 03:52 PM

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear

This will change your mind about Global Warming

o_puppychow · 04-13-2006, 04:13 PM

yes, it's always a good idea to let a work of fiction influence your ideas about things in the real world :/

o_mescalito · 04-13-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smax

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear

This will change your mind about Global Warming

You read books? Ok. You can join the GREEN PARROTS OF PECKING DOOM.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 04-13-2006, 05:05 PM

If global warming is happening and scientists largely agree that it is happening I think you'll also find that they are split as to why it is happening.

Personally I think, at our current technological level, we have little ability to affect global temperatures one way or the other. I also don't see much of our resources devoted to determining how we might do that and I think those sciences are still in their infancy. Not only do we not know how to move temps one way or the other we also don't know the ramification of doing so. It may very well be that the warming and cooling is part of a larger system which we cannot see now.

o_smax · 04-13-2006, 05:14 PM

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yes, it's always a good idea to let a work of fiction influence your ideas about things in the real world :/

No it isn't. But the research and presentation that goes into the read is. The book presents the issue of global warming through a story...then relates it to the reader by providing legit scientific research which is sighted from (mostly non-fiction books from biased-pro global warming scientists) various sources. It is neither for or against global warming.

State of Fear lets you make your up your own mind about the issue and others based upon the scientific research that is presented.

Mulchman MM · 04-13-2006, 05:21 PM

The problem isn't ice caps floating around in the ocean melting. It's the ice sheets that are on top of land - the south pole - that can raise the water level if they melt.

Ice floating around by itself in water melting won't raise the water level a bit.

o_ivaqual · 04-13-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by puppychow

yes, it's always a good idea to let a work of fiction influence your ideas about things in the real world :/

Read Orwell's 1984 and say that again.

o_smax · 04-13-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito

You read books? Ok. You can join the GREEN PARROTS OF PECKING DOOM.

SWEET/SWELLL!!!!!1

o_someoldguy · 04-13-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smax

State of Fear lets you make your up your own mind about the issue and others based upon the scientific research that is presented.

The problem with "State of Fear" (which I both read and enjoyed as some nice escapist fare, in spite of Crichton's pronouncements in the appendix) is just that... it was based upon the scientific research that is presented.

Unfortunately,
a) he used and "presented" research that fits his premise and his conclusions, and either ignored or discounted research that might have made his stands on the environment at the very least a bit suspect
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b) there has been ongoing and much new research into this very topic, and none of that was included in the book (obviously... and not a criticism).

As others have noted, there is disagreement as to what is actually going on... is it a long term thing? reversible? just the next 10K or so year cycle? mankind hastening? etc etc etc. All that is known for sure is depending on the time scale you want to use (another of the Crichton book problems), that there may or may not be global warming, sea rising. et al.

Me? Dunno.

Seems like a good and wise choice to cut down on burning fossil fuels, not eliminate but cut back, if for no other reason than it gives some additional time for alternate renewable energy sources to be developed.

Seems like a good idea not to spew crap into our air and water... breathing and drinking is like important and stuff.

Seems like a good idea to keep as many species alive as we can, since you never know what medical or technical breakthrough using research on these plant/animal species would save yours or my sorry ass one day.

More perhaps another day, another time... or not.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 04-13-2006, 05:39 PM

Soggy, at some point we're going to see an alternative power plant take off and I think it will take off in the same way that DVD's and CD took over for their predecessors. It will happen fast. I don't see it happening in the next year or so but I think we'll see a much faster transition than say like moving from horse drawn vehicles to motorized. Right now there are far too many powerful special interests that keep us locked on the utilization of fossil fuels for the current en vogue power plants.

o_georgie · 04-13-2006, 05:41 PM

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breathing and drinking is like important and stuff.

You heard it here first, Folks.

o_captain_cadaver · 04-13-2006, 06:51 PM

The Greenhouse Effect is about as real as Santa.

Personally I beleive the scientists that have found through fossil records that the planet goes through a natural warming period every few thousand years. And that is more proof than any other scientist has for global warming.

o_voipme · 04-13-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeOldGuy

Seems like a good idea to keep as many species alive as we can, since you never know what medical or technical breakthrough using research on these plant/animal species would save yours or my sorry ass one day.

Or, they can be used to make delicious food like the Ribwich. Mmm....ribwich.

On topic, they have managed to make that E85 ethanol, which is 85% corn and 15% gasoline. And GM is making and asston of "Flex fuel" cars in order to take advantage of that.

http://www.livegreengoyellow.com

04-13-2006, 02:25 AM	#1
o_lithium Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OH CRAP , GLOBAL WARMING ... Ended in 1998 ... :O http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html

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mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	mmmmmmmmmm im sure. seriously though, its been proven that carbon dioxide retains heat much better than a lot of other gases. take two clear bottles for example, and pump one with CO2, leaving the other full of air, stick thermometers down each one, then screw caps on. leave them in the sun and come back an hour or two later. the CO2 filled bottle will have risen several degrees higher. __________________ Support FF:

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Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The problem isn't ice caps floating around in the ocean melting. It's the ice sheets that are on top of land - the south pole - that can raise the water level if they melt. Ice floating around by itself in water melting won't raise the water level a bit. __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

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o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's all a goverment conspiracy... they're out to kill us.

04-13-2006, 11:03 AM	#5
o_jinx Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ohio Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sorry, I think I'm going to believe the 99 out of 100 scientists that think global warming is a serious problem. Here's an extensive web log contesting what he's saying: http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/

04-13-2006, 03:26 PM	#6
o_backstaber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Bah, Global Warming, never believed in it. Only something thats used to scare people.

04-13-2006, 03:39 PM	#7
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You can argue till you're blue about Global Warming and how its being caused, the fact of the matter is the Earth is still warming up, Global Warming or not. Its getting warmer, ice is melting, sea levels are rising, weather is becoming more unpredictable. Fact.

04-13-2006, 03:52 PM	#8
o_smax Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Currently: Alabama Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear This will change your mind about Global Warming

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o_puppychow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yes, it's always a good idea to let a work of fiction influence your ideas about things in the real world :/

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o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If global warming is happening and scientists largely agree that it is happening I think you'll also find that they are split as to why it is happening. Personally I think, at our current technological level, we have little ability to affect global temperatures one way or the other. I also don't see much of our resources devoted to determining how we might do that and I think those sciences are still in their infancy. Not only do we not know how to move temps one way or the other we also don't know the ramification of doing so. It may very well be that the warming and cooling is part of a larger system which we cannot see now.

04-13-2006, 05:39 PM	#17
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Soggy, at some point we're going to see an alternative power plant take off and I think it will take off in the same way that DVD's and CD took over for their predecessors. It will happen fast. I don't see it happening in the next year or so but I think we'll see a much faster transition than say like moving from horse drawn vehicles to motorized. Right now there are far too many powerful special interests that keep us locked on the utilization of fossil fuels for the current en vogue power plants.

04-13-2006, 06:51 PM	#19
o_captain_cadaver Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UMR Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The Greenhouse Effect is about as real as Santa. Personally I beleive the scientists that have found through fossil records that the planet goes through a natural warming period every few thousand years. And that is more proof than any other scientist has for global warming.

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