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06-29-2009 10:09 PM | |||
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Good idea, leg shots don't belong in this game.
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06-29-2009 11:27 PM | ||
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Not 100% sold on the bleeding, creative though and better than the way it is currently.
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06-30-2009 02:56 AM | |||
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Bloodseeker.
Interesting idea, but it still might be frustrating. Who knows. |
07-01-2009 11:28 PM | |||
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I purposely use(d) leg shots to slow people down and annoy the hell out of them. They are rather obnoxious and sort of cheap. But with the hit detection being as terrible as it is there isn't much of a choice. This does sound like a cool idea though.
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07-02-2009 05:16 PM | ||
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really the sniper needs the legshot, the sniper has no up close defense, i can't tell you how many times i've seen a solider charging me, and know i have no chance of servial i pop him in the leg and run, and my teams mates finish him off, this may be considered cheap by some, but it is one of the few choices a sniper has in close battles.
the leg shot is also not only a slow someone down and then pop them in the head manuover, for example when i play arddvark and 5 enemies appear in the yard i hit each one in the leg (or try to) before going for kills, it is far more valuable to my team and my survival. in my opinon, if you remove the legshot slowdown the spy tranq gun should also be changed or removed, becasue when i get shot by a spy with a tranq in a close battle, i go for a quick charge shot to the leg, almost no dmg but it puts the spy at my speed so i don't die instantly. the tranq gun is devistating to all classes when used correctly, just like the legshot is when used correctly. very few people use the legshot to its full potential, and thats what people are complaing about, the random legshot every once and a while is not a bother. so punishing the half dozen or so snipers that are effective with it seems more so unfair then the legshot to begin with. |
07-02-2009 05:38 PM | |||
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Legshot is cheap, there is no need to try and defend it. You're the Sniper. You're free to sit in a corner someplace a thousand miles away from the real action and pick off players who are actually brave enough to jump into the action. You have a weapon that can kill every class in one hit when fully charged. You already have radio tag. You don't need two abilities. Especially considering how cheap one of them is. A one-shot one-kill rifle should be enough. |
07-02-2009 06:22 PM | |||
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I like playing sniper. I also specifically going after leg shots just because it slows the people down.
I don't do it to make my kill shot easier, if I wanted I could shot them in the chest or head. I do it because its funny. There are some people who do try to kill themselves after getting legged but not many. Most of the people I play with know that when I leg them its because I can. I could have killed them out right but legging them was more fun. Not its not just to have fun, if one of my team is being chased, I will try to leg/kill someone to give them a chance. If there are lots of people out in the field, I will start legging people to slow them down to give my team a chance to either get them or get ready or to get the flag back to base. When I get legged, as any class, I try to survive. There are many times when I get nailed as a spy, I'm legged, I'm tagged, and I'm low on health so now I'm just looking for a place to hide till my leg heals. Personally I like legging and being legged. I wouldn't want it changed, except for the fact that the medic should be able to heal the leg and remove a tag from someone. I don't remember right now if they do heal broken legs. Bridget just can't seem to get by the snipers, I don't seem to have a problem with it, I actually like it when I am going up against 3 or 4 snipers. |
07-02-2009 07:28 PM | ||
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I can get past them just fine with classes that can move fast. But, I don't feel like playing those classes just to get past Snipers. I want to play actually skill-full classes, that are unfortunately very slow, and easy picking for fucking lamers. For starters, Sniper doesn't belong in this game. Every class except Sniper is about close to medium range fighting. To have one class completely off the 'scale' is pathetic. Just because it was in TFC doesn't mean it should be here. 'Sniper' has been OP in every game. Until they add some realism to Sniping, it will always be OP. Point and click.
Snipers are cowards. Once you close the gap they run scared to their base. Then, when they hide next to their spawn door, and you kill them to protect yourself or your team, they get all teary-eyed and accuse you of spawn camping. In fact, I've been kicked from a few servers because of this, banned from one. Apparently its spawn-spam to defend yourself against Snipers, as if they're immune simply because they're Snipers and so close to their spawn. But, yeah, Sniper doesn't belong in this game, at all. It's unfair that everyone's at close/medium range battling it out, equally putting themselves at risk, while Mr. Sniper is halfway across the map picking them off one by one. So, I say.. If you're going to keep such a cowardice class in the game, get rid of legshots. It's bad enough he has a one-shot one-kill weapon and radio tag, and he hides in his base or near his spawn doors, gains some immunity throughout servers by the admins because killing them happens to take place next to spawn, so they equate it to spawn spam. He doesn't need two special abilities. He already has a handful of advantages. Again, especially considering how fucking cheap one of them is. |
07-02-2009 10:04 PM | ||
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<Sniper is not OP/should stay rant, skip to the opinion on the idea>
Considering the size of AoE of the explosives in the game, you've got plenty of options to disrupt an enemy Sniper. The RPG AoE is pretty big, and the Sniper won't be able to shot properly/at all because of that; the IC AoE is the same as the RPG and ignites the Sniper, making it a bit harder to aim because the damage twitch screws up your aim. Other classes should just try to just outspeed his aim, like Scouts, Medics or Demomen; Engineers and Spies have pin-point accuracy weapons that severly cripple the Sniper or his aim. The one who has it harder in the set of classes is the HW, and even then using the single shotgun against the Sniper can save you from getting hit due to the damage twitch. All classes have decent options of increasing their chances to survive. It looks that you are biased against the Snipers. This whole "they are cowards" is a generalization - some Snipers prefer to die and hurt the opponent that keep their K:D ratio (and some like me think the AR is lame and use the SR at close range, but this is another story). Most Snipers run away because they've got little to no option to fight at that range, pretty much what you should be doing (running towards the enemy base is also running, mind you) when the situation is the inverse, but you decide to say that Snipers shouldn't even be in the game. Or you try to kill Snipers at long range with the HW? Not to mention the fact that the bullet is one pixel size, hitbox acting weird at high speeds, etc. And yes, the fact that he can even kill you in one hit from close range is odd, but considering that you've got the advantage, it just means he's got better aim than you do, which is what usually determines who wins a matchup in a FPS. Remember that throwing a grenade around his general area means he won't be able to fire the SR due to not being able to shot midair and all that stuff, and a direct grenade will either kill him by fall damage when he lands or by your own shotgun. Not to mention that the maps where they really are effective (long range maps) are few, it's just that aardvark is very popular and has no secondary route to cross the map, making him more annoying. I think it's needed to have one class capable of dealing at enemies quick at long range. Many other classes do this at close range (HW, Pyro, Soldier) and at medium range (Soldier, Demoman). The fact that he's got the only reliable weapon for long range makes him the target of rage, but this is the reason why I get pumped up when I'm able to get near him and make him eat a few IC rockets before killing him with the crowbar - more than doing so against a HW. </end rant> On topic I don't think this idea is more fitting. People don't like getting hurt, so changing not being able to move for being able but damaging yourself in the proccess won't solve the issue. And if you consider that the classes that will survive a full charged shot in the legs (Demoman is the first one, I believe?) will have under 30 HP, I bet they'll end up suiciding anyways. What needs to be done is fixing the cripple so it's not the same during the full period. This has been mentioned already, but making it progressive would be the way to go, probably with less speed penalty but stackable to an extent. Say a leg shot reduces 20% of the speed and recovers 4% per second, but if you get hit again in the legs another 20% is added, up to a maximum of 50-60%. |
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07-18-2009 07:35 AM | |||
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I didn't mind sniper so much in TFC - they couldn't fire nearly as quick, you couldn't get legshots as easily (and radio tags weren't in), and, most importantly I feel, the maps didn't favor them as much as in FF.
Take the maps that are really commonly played - well, 2fort, congestus, destroy, anticitizen, aardvark, dustbowl...etc etc. Most of these are incredibly sniper friendly. Well? Snipers walk five feet and can get a complete view of the field. Nobody can get into their spawn unless a teammate opens it from the bottom, and even then, spawn turrets will shoot the enemy. Aardvark? Again, the best sniping spot is five feet from spawn, and if you even think of trying to camp the sniper deck, you'll be accused of spawn camping right there and then - disregard the deaths you've had as you popped out of spawn, as the sniper is the whole field away - it's totally fair! cough And then there's the legshot/radio tag ordeal. I wouldn't mind if the sniper rifle took longer to fire in between shots...but since they can fire twice a second, they can pop everyone on the field with a legshot before the enemy team reaches their base. So far, the only options I've heard to NOT get hit by snipers while crossing the yard are either to go fast (scout), or go in packs. Quote:
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We've had two ideas for how to make legshots more balanced so far - either cause damage based on movement speed, or remove less movement speed, but have it stack. For Bridget's bleeding idea...ehh. If you're going to have to stop moving quickly in order to not kill yourself, the snipers will still get you. This'd pose a huge problem for medium/light classes. For 20% reductions per legshot...again, it's a huge amount - you're losing all momentum from getting hit, including bhopping, and then having the 20% reduction on top of that. How about this: in order for the sniper rifle's specialties to work, the sniper needs to charge up his rifle past a certain point. Say, the radiotag won't work until he's charged for a second and a half; the legshot wouldn't proc until 2.5-3 seconds have passed. For lighter classes - scouts, medics, the like - they'd probably die before ever seeing any of these effects, but it'd remove the irritation of being hit for a whopping 30 damage, but being dead meat due to losing all movement capabilities. For heavier classes - sollies, demos, heavies - they also wouldn't be stuck in the field nearly as often. They'd still take a lot of damage if the sniper managed to pop them in the head repeatedly with uncharged shots, but at least they wouldn't be goners after one hit. If the sniper DOES charge up a shot, and hits a heavy in the leg, then...well, he's dead or close to it, but hey, it's because he took a fully charged shot (which I wouldn't mind). It's not that any of these extra things for the sniper are really game breaking on their own - hell, I kinda like the idea of radio tags, in theory - but it's far too easy to slap them on anyone that comes into the yard. There needs to be some kind of a restriction. |
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07-23-2009 05:59 PM | ||
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i was always under the impression that the sniper need to become more useful to be played in more different game types and areas, instead of making trying to make him more useless. imo a player should not be able to jump/bhop with a legshot, most players who know what they are doing and know how to build speed quickly can still move quite fast with a legshot.
but i suppose thats a different discussion all together most would argue a complete reworking is in order. |
07-23-2009 06:19 PM | |||
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