What is SteamPowered's problem?

[o_nuggs]

Sunday I specifically made a few fortress-forever posts on steampowered.com to see what would happen. For those who are unaware, steampowered.com is Valve's OFFICIAL website for steam and all of thier games. Both my posts were deleted, and even my replies deep within posts were trimmed. What the fuck is going on? My only thought is that TFC:S IS a reality, which is a good thing. What I dont understand is that Valve has had competition from MODS before, and usually they are supportive rather then destructive. What are yalls thoughts

[o_lektrik]

Yeah, I even got my post deleted and tempbanned for mentioning FF in a list of all Fortress mods :roll:

[o_pizzahut]

You won't get answers, I think the Steampowered mods aren't allowed to talk about this.

- WF2 got removed from the mod list, too.
- FF mysteriously vanished from Google. (Yes I know you can still access it via the "site:" option, but it is *not* ranked.)
- HL Fallout doesn't cover FF in their news. On the bright side, PHL covered it. :)

[o_binarylife]

The only way you'll get close is if you take the forum name, and time stamp your initial post. Then mark it against the "HL Mods" section and point out that the deletion is clearly in violation of the forums own rules. Send it to lead administrator, and every forum moderator there. Do this every time it happens. You'll start them arguin with each other and such, even if they don't fix/explain the problem the to you, it'll piss them off some :twisted:

[o_|404|innoc-tpf-]

Valve: The Microsoft of Gaming...

[schtoofa]

For what it's worth, not many sites link to www.fortress-forever.com . That could have something to do with why it doesn't appear high on the google search results (or does it even appear at all? I'm not sure). It appears first on the list using yahoo's search ( http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=fortress+forever&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1 ).

HL Fallout had covered us once, I think. I'll look into that.

As for the steam forums, all I can say is it's unfortunate that FF gets censored there (and WF2 for that matter).

[o_nuggs]

After multiple PM's I at least got some responce

qUiCkSiLvEr
Super Moderator



Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 2481

Re: Fortress Forever

Posts about Fortress Forever are not allowed here.

I can't go into the specific reasons but they are valid and reasonable and are being acted on to protect the community.

Please do not post anything about Fortress Forever here.

Protect the community? Thats a load of shit

I guess it means that TFC:S is definatly coming out, but it pissed me the fuck off that valve shits all over the TFC community, doesnt even feign interest in supporting the current community or in creating a new one, but then doesnt let anyone know about FF. Bunch of twats

[o_groovyf]

"Conflict of interest" I guess.

*shrugs

No point trying to post about FF on steampowered. Many from there will know about it anyway, or are already posting here

[o_cruor]

I don't get Valve's thinking in this I mean FF is a mod that will attract HL2-buyers just as well as TFC:S would unless they intend to charge a fee for TFC:S as well.

Damn Valve's become real greedy lately.

[o_pizzahut]

They will charge a fee for TFC:S. However I don't get how you can call this greedy. They don't do this in their freetime, it's their job which they earn their living with.

[o_sobe green]

I wouldn't pay for a straight port of what they have shown they don't care about. Its one thing to be really busy and not be able to patch something. But TFC is loaded with bugs and Valve hasn't even bothered messing with them for quite a long time. If I did pay for it I'd be one of the last purchases they had as I want to be sure it works.

[o_cruor]

They will charge a fee for TFC:S. However I don't get how you can call this greedy. They don't do this in their freetime, it's their job which they earn their living with.

No you're right but I fear TFC:S will be a poorly made direct port and thus not worth whatever valve will charge for it.

[o_pizzahut]

For what it's worth, not many sites link to www.fortress-forever.com . That could have something to do with why it doesn't appear high on the google search results (or does it even appear at all? I'm not sure).
I did a bit of experimenting, it does appear. Still odd though that it used to appear at top, and then all of a sudden it's so low ranked that it probably is impossible to find by just typing the name because Google gives only access to the first 1000 results.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22A+Team+Fortress+Mod+for+Half-Life+2%22

[Jiggles]

Well, maybe a bunch of HL2 sites mentioned it in a news post, thus creating many temporary links. Once the News "expired," so did the high Google ranking.

[o_sobe green]

Valve has no control of Google's results either. 8)

[o_nuk3m]

FF FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3 my heart is dedicated to one person, not my family, not my girlfriend but to this mod, and fuck valve and their neco-conservative ways!!! down with the pro-bush cock mongolers!

[Defrag]

Hmm, very strange. I didn't realise all FF postings had been nuked from HLfallout. They've posted at least two news items on our MOD. Thanks for the heads-up.

[o_kashew]

i think that FF could probably compete with TFC:S. its a long shot but if they are about to unveil it then i'm thinkin that FF can compete with no cost. and eventually, sell to valve and make lots of cash.

[o_dirkpitt]

rofl lets not get valve/steampowered arguing amongist themselves they have enough trouble as it is :p

[Defrag]

I can assure you guys that selling valve's own mod back to them isn't exactly likely... :P

[o_dirkpitt]

I can assure you guys that selling valve's own mod back to them isn't exactly likely... :P

rofl i'm at work and some people just gave me a really weird look i laughed out loud at that one

[o_kupla]

- HL Fallout doesn't cover FF in their news. On the bright side, PHL covered it. :)
http://www.hlfallout.net/comments.php?id=7785

I don't understand, FF isn't gonna be like TFC:S, and still Valve doesn't allow any topics/posts about FF. The original Q1TF wasn't made by Valve (or was it?), and now Valve doesn't allow anyone to talk about FF because FF? Valve doesn't have a "copyright" to fortress.

[o_pizzahut]

Valve hired the original Quake TF developer team, so I guess they do have a copyright on it.

[o_kupla]

Valve hired the original Quake TF developer team, so I guess they do have a copyright on it.Well yes, Valve has copyright to TFC, but the idea of TF (many different classes, capture the flag etc) isn't Valve's.

[o_ekim]

Well there's a lot of chat on these forums about FF being censored on Valve websites, but every single time I have made a thread or post here saying how great TFC:S is going to be, it gets removed! I also don't see any similar posts from anyone else. Something sinister is going on :?

[o_voipme]

Its like a conspiracy. Who wants to form a coalition to get to the bottom of this? Warning: you *could* get banned from the steampowered.com forums.

[o_catzeyes93]

So I wonder if we can test to see if they kill the posts that direct you to other forums. You know... the sierra forums, spokane team fortress forums, custom-tfc forums, GirlPower forums and about a half dozen others that I know *I* post on... then on THOSE forums (the privatly held forums) we spread the news about the wonders of FF. It is circumventing Steams rulz, but we are still getting the word out.

[o_folia]

Well there's a lot of chat on these forums about FF being censored on Valve websites, but every single time I have made a thread or post here saying how great TFC:S is going to be, it gets removed! I also don't see any similar posts from anyone else. Something sinister is going on :?

Witch! Burn 'im at the stake! :x

[o_cruor]

Its like a conspiracy. Who wants to form a coalition to get to the bottom of this? Warning: you *could* get banned from the steampowered.com forums.

We should get Hans Blix and that team of his... They'll find out the truth no doubt :D

[o_dirkpitt]

i've pretty much given up on valve doing an official tf anything, tf2 looked like cs with different guns, and you know somehow they will mess up tfc:s

[o_caboman]

This sucks :?

I think Valve sees FF as a serious thread vs TF2

[o_ivaqual]

i know i would actually pay to get to the bottom of this.
"protect the community" ? can i have a big hot WTF ?

[Defrag]

Guys: Please don't go deliberately causing trouble at steampowered, it'd more likely hurt our mod than do anything good. The mods there have made their decision and a bunch of people harassing them (regardless of the fact that the decision is pretty strange) isn't going to help. I understand that you just want to get to the bottom of this and help the MOD get publicity, so thanks for the enthusiasm :)

[o_catzeyes93]

Dat true.

Dont draw attention to yourselves....

[o_sobe green]

I can slightly see why they are doing this now that I think about it. It is a TFC board. It is supposed to be used for talk about their game. If they are indeed planning on releasing something based on TF or TFC it could -possibly- add confusion to who made what ect ect.

That would seem true if they hadn't just ignored TFC altogether so it is very strange. I'm just guessing that would be their response.

If they have a TFC:S they'll most likely bundle it with TF2 if they choose to release TF2. Valve is always under constant pressure to do what they say and most of the time they atleast meet us half way on that. They mentioned TF2 and TFC:S once, they will most likely halfway show something later on I think.

[o_dirkpitt]

It'll be like warcraft 3, 13 yrs later tf2 is released... in full virtual reality!

[o_rmx]

fuck valve.

[o_ghroth]

interesting, the latest news from valve is saying that
1. they had Dystopia mod team at their headquaters to help them out
2. they are hosting a HL2DM CTF tourney with the mod community
3. that they say in many statements, they are all about helping the MOD community

[o_caboman]

all about the mod community alright! :evil:

[o_lithium]

why dont we get some mini guns and some shotguns and raid valve's stupid HQ

[o_anshinritsumai]

why dont we get some mini guns and some shotguns and raid valve's stupid HQ

Don't forget the med packs, nail nades, and concs.

[o_dirkpitt]

count me in, i'll bring my overpowered auto rifle!

[o_sobe green]

Here is something interesting coming from another somewhat controversial mod Black Mesa: Source:

http://www.blackmesasource.com/

Do you need, or have you gotten, approval from VALVe to proceed with this?
At the present time we have yet to recieve word back form Valve Software on any intellectual property right clarifications we have requested. Valve is quite supportive of the modification community and they even said in one of the press releases,"...a community remake is not only possible, its inievitable..." meaning that they know it will be done.

Wish I could find that press release.

[o_donny]

Valve guys are really pissed off. Well have you guys seen that TF2 site is down (atleast was few days ago) the tf2.sierra.com one.

[o_mooga]

Has anyone tried posting in the valve forums about TF2? Asking if people know any infromation. It would be interesting to see if that gets deleted too...

[o_captain_cadaver]

VALVe needs to stop and let the players decide which is a better game. Its pretty sad that such a supporter for the mod community has to against thier own forum rules and ban people for "undisclosed reasons" which I'm sure are concerns for only their success with TF2, which doesn't look that great anyway.

[o_cruor]

Well at least Halflife2.net features you whenever there is news.

Here is one of the archieved newspost on FF.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83625

[o_medi]

HLFallout posts about FF all the time :roll:

[o_ivaqual]

does planethalflife report FF news ?

[o_qbaler]

ya planethalflife stays on top of FF news... somewhat.

You guys are looking at this completely wrong. The mods at steampowered are not valve employees they are instead crazed cs nublets who hate on tfc!

RALLY AGAINST CS!

::grabs pitch fork and rocket launcher::

[o_general levy]

I think the strangest fact about this whole matter which many of you have overlooked is the fact that if Valve are so opposed to FF to go so far as creating a 'no-FF' policy on Steampowered.com, then why the hell haven't they closed the MOD down yet.

It begs the question really doesn't it.[/i]

[o_etzell]

Actually, it doesn't. Valve is not the sole owner of the TF concept. TF is a concept spanning MANY platforms, and Valve has little to no ability to shut it down. Sure, it uses the engine, but that's really the only thing that Valve can control.

Not to mention the horrible publicity involved with shutting down a mod because you don't particularly like it.

[o_general levy]

sure the basic concept yes, but thats like saying that the Deathmatch or CTF concepts are copyrighted: they cant be.

the thing is, weren't most of the other Fortress conversions altered quite a bit - MIRVs weren't called MIRVs, class names were changed, as were grendade names etc.

[o_etzell]

sure the basic concept yes, but thats like saying that the Deathmatch or CTF concepts are copyrighted: they cant be.

the thing is, weren't most of the other Fortress conversions altered quite a bit - MIRVs weren't called MIRVs, class names were changed, as were grendade names etc.

So if Valve gets pissed, the FF team can change the names and be untouchable. So, long story short, Valve can't do a thing, nor will they.

[o_kayuni]

sure the basic concept yes, but thats like saying that the Deathmatch or CTF concepts are copyrighted: they cant be.

the thing is, weren't most of the other Fortress conversions altered quite a bit - MIRVs weren't called MIRVs, class names were changed, as were grendade names etc.

So if Valve gets pissed, the FF team can change the names and be untouchable. So, long story short, Valve can't do a thing, nor will they.

Everything's in a name. Would you like FF as much if it was called Well-Constructed Base Everlasting?

[o_|404|innoc-tpf-]

Everything's in a name. Would you like FF as much if it was called Well-Constructed Base Everlasting?

Sounds like something from a Douglas Adams book.

[schtoofa]

halflife2.net, hlfallout, planet halflife, amped DX, etc. (how fortunate we are that the list goes on and on) are all great when it comes to providing FF support & posting news. Couldn't ask for better!

[o_[slayer]beaver_shots]

Idea.. stop posting stuff about FF on the steam site. Instead, every one make a sig and/or avitar that has an add for FF on it lol. Then post wildly on every topic about the topic and not about FF.

[o_pizzahut]

I don't think SP allows avatars or signatures.

[o_groovyf]

being confrontational on Steam forums wouldn't/doesn't look too good on the FF team in my opinion.

[o_captain_cadaver]

Well it seems the best way to get FF's name out there is to go to other forums and post with FF sigs and links. Expanding the community is step 1.

[o_groovyf]

Hey, I'm all for expanding the community, but using sigs and things over on Steam Powered when posts about FF get removed will only mean more removal of posts. And I'd hazard a guess just about everyone who frequents the Team Fortress Classic section of SF are here anyway.

[schtoofa]

The Steampowered guys are pretty adamant about keeping TF-mod discussion limited to Valve-only "stuff."

Please don't be too belligerent about pushing Fortress Forever there :) As great of a medium that would be, we ought to respect their wishes (or they'll force it through removing posts and banning people). There's a myriad of other forums that permit or encourage FF discussion so we all best take advantage of those instead of focusing on this one issue, as intriguing as it may be.

[o_morrow]

just posted this on another thread with the same topic. http://forums.fortress-forever.com/viewtopic.php?t=1837&start=75 is the thread enjoy.