Hunted Flow

o_cartosis · 09-05-2006, 04:36 PM

Is there any theory or gameflow articles for the Hunted game type? Maybe someone can explain to me what makes a good Hunted map. I don't really know where to begin with planning such a map.

o_crazy carl · 09-05-2006, 07:02 PM

You need:
-two or three routes for the civ to take at all times. The routes can cross, but you don't really want to force him through a single chokepoint too often.
-Lots of sniping spots that are protected, but that the bodyguards can attack to supress the sniper. For balance, make the better sniping spots more vulnerable to attack.
-The assassins should have their own territory which they can use to quickly traverse the level and get to a good ambush spot. In Hunted, this was the rooftops. It's mostly safe, but the bodyguards can sometimes invade this space to kill the snipers.
-Once in a while, provide an enclosed space for the hunted to hide while the bodyguards regroup. But never let him be completely safe.

o_cartosis · 09-05-2006, 07:11 PM

Thanks that helps alot

What about bodyguard classes? Is it ok to replace one of them with say the pyro or demoman or is Medic, Soldier, Heavy a must?

o_imbrifer · 09-05-2006, 08:10 PM

I suppose he can be whatever class you want - It might be interesting to make the Hunted be a Demoman you have to escort to blow a bridge or something. Give it a whirl.

o_cartosis · 09-05-2006, 08:17 PM

I meant the bodyguards not the Civ, but now that you mention it that's a pretty good idea!

/me steals

o_bumgravy · 09-05-2006, 08:46 PM

look at betrayed, it was a good hunted map, one of best looking hl1 maps too

Mulchman MM · 09-05-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BumGravy

look at betrayed, it was a good hunted map, one of best looking hl1 maps too

but no one ever played betrayed :X

o_bumgravy · 09-05-2006, 11:36 PM

Yeah but it was made pre-iraq invasion, there will presumably more interest in it in todays world judging by the amount of these style games you see these days.

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TFC mapping at its finest IMO. The author really took time to make sure this map played well and look good.

The author also added a sense of humor to the map. When El Presidente gets killed, the bodyguards hear military VOX saying "DAMN!" and the snipers hear "YES YES YES!".

Another thing that really adds to this map is the addition of a Rebel leader for the snipers team, who can be a demoman. Ammo is always in short supply for this demo, so he can't just spam pipes into the Hunted's party -- he has to be careful how he uses them.

An excellent map. I'd like to see this one come back from the dead.

aXon
Director, Pixel Map Reviews

You cant argue with that!

Jiggles · 09-06-2006, 03:36 AM

My friends and I played Betrayed quite a bit a while ago. Usually we annoyed the heck out of the assassins when we conced the Hunted to victory

Lost · 09-06-2006, 12:38 PM

It was usually too damned big for the casual player to download through the server. Now that we can put up our own dedicated map server through our personal hosting, it'll be a lot easier to spread around the custom maps.

Circuitous · 09-06-2006, 05:10 PM

RAWR HUNTED!

Okay, some good things to have:

Multiple exits in each area.
Plenty of areas for backtracking.
Clearly-defined areas. (Hunted has Main Road, Building One, Building One Roof, Alley, Ruins, Ruins Roof, Storage Area 3, Storage Area 3 Top, Yard/Field, Ruins Exit, Warehouse, Towers, Sewers, Resupply, etc...)
Assassin-only routes/doors. (Hunted: top floor of Building One, Ruins top floor, Sewers)
A mix of open/closed areas.
Alternate routes that require assistance to get through. (Hunted: Vent up to Storage Area 3)
A starting area the Assassins can't enter.
An easily-guarded final exit.

Typical classes...

Assassins: Snipers (duh), sometimes a Demoman (1) or a Spy (1).
Bodyguards: Soldiers, Medics, HWGuys, Pyros (sometimes), Demomen (sometimes), Snipers (sometimes).

o_fragile · 09-06-2006, 09:49 PM

a spy assassin? that'd be very mean

o_zsilver_fox · 09-06-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragile

a spy assassin? that'd be very mean

But would require more teamwork on the bodyguard's side.

"Bill, is that you at B Roof?"
"No."
"Oh shi-"
Assassins Score!

o_mj · 09-07-2006, 12:41 AM

keep soldiers outta high places where they dont belong..

unlike hunted where they can jump on the damn roof :/

o_kam · 09-07-2006, 02:47 AM

A 1 spy assassin map would be pretty awesome, like The Hidden almost.

Circuitous · 09-07-2006, 03:50 AM

It's been done. ejg2_hunted I think. Only 1 Spy was allowed, but with good comms it's pretty easy to get around. Unless he spams pills.

trepid_jesse · 09-07-2006, 03:55 AM

Those ejg_ maps should be drowned.

o_cartosis · 09-07-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ

keep soldiers outta high places where they dont belong..

unlike hunted where they can jump on the damn roof :/

I was thinking of taking out soldiers altogether :S
When I play hunted I always RJ to the roof, cross over to the ruins and use the back entrance to the exit zone

Thanks for the advice guys.

Lost · 09-07-2006, 01:23 PM

If you take out soldiers and make it a tight, close quartered map, that would make it pretty even on both sides. The soldiers are a necessity on hunted, otherwise all 5 of the snipers would be on the roof of the first building, sniping everyone that came out since no one could get up there. Unless, of course, there are concs on hunted. Its been forever since I've bothered playing it and I have no idea.

o_cartosis · 09-07-2006, 02:42 PM

I've seen medics conc to the first roof a couple of times but I'm not sure how effective they are up there :S

09-05-2006, 04:36 PM	#1
o_cartosis Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hunted Flow Is there any theory or gameflow articles for the Hunted game type? Maybe someone can explain to me what makes a good Hunted map. I don't really know where to begin with planning such a map.

09-06-2006, 12:38 PM	#10
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	It was usually too damned big for the casual player to download through the server. Now that we can put up our own dedicated map server through our personal hosting, it'll be a lot easier to spread around the custom maps. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

09-06-2006, 05:10 PM	#11
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	RAWR HUNTED! Okay, some good things to have: Multiple exits in each area. Plenty of areas for backtracking. Clearly-defined areas. (Hunted has Main Road, Building One, Building One Roof, Alley, Ruins, Ruins Roof, Storage Area 3, Storage Area 3 Top, Yard/Field, Ruins Exit, Warehouse, Towers, Sewers, Resupply, etc...) Assassin-only routes/doors. (Hunted: top floor of Building One, Ruins top floor, Sewers) A mix of open/closed areas. Alternate routes that require assistance to get through. (Hunted: Vent up to Storage Area 3) A starting area the Assassins can't enter. An easily-guarded final exit. Typical classes... Assassins: Snipers (duh), sometimes a Demoman (1) or a Spy (1). Bodyguards: Soldiers, Medics, HWGuys, Pyros (sometimes), Demomen (sometimes), Snipers (sometimes). __________________ Look at all those dead links.

09-07-2006, 03:50 AM	#16
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	It's been done. ejg2_hunted I think. Only 1 Spy was allowed, but with good comms it's pretty easy to get around. Unless he spams pills. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

09-07-2006, 03:55 AM	#17
trepid_jesse Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Those ejg_ maps should be drowned. __________________ Support FF: Trepid, what?

09-05-2006, 07:02 PM	#2
o_crazy carl Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You need: -two or three routes for the civ to take at all times. The routes can cross, but you don't really want to force him through a single chokepoint too often. -Lots of sniping spots that are protected, but that the bodyguards can attack to supress the sniper. For balance, make the better sniping spots more vulnerable to attack. -The assassins should have their own territory which they can use to quickly traverse the level and get to a good ambush spot. In Hunted, this was the rooftops. It's mostly safe, but the bodyguards can sometimes invade this space to kill the snipers. -Once in a while, provide an enclosed space for the hunted to hide while the bodyguards regroup. But never let him be completely safe.

09-05-2006, 07:11 PM	#3
o_cartosis Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks that helps alot What about bodyguard classes? Is it ok to replace one of them with say the pyro or demoman or is Medic, Soldier, Heavy a must?

09-05-2006, 08:10 PM	#4
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I suppose he can be whatever class you want - It might be interesting to make the Hunted be a Demoman you have to escort to blow a bridge or something. Give it a whirl.

09-05-2006, 08:17 PM	#5
o_cartosis Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I meant the bodyguards not the Civ, but now that you mention it that's a pretty good idea! /me steals

09-05-2006, 08:46 PM	#6
o_bumgravy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	look at betrayed, it was a good hunted map, one of best looking hl1 maps too

09-06-2006, 03:36 AM	#9
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My friends and I played Betrayed quite a bit a while ago. Usually we annoyed the heck out of the assassins when we conced the Hunted to victory

09-06-2006, 09:49 PM	#12
o_fragile Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	a spy assassin? that'd be very mean

09-07-2006, 12:41 AM	#14
o_mj Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	keep soldiers outta high places where they dont belong.. unlike hunted where they can jump on the damn roof :/

09-07-2006, 02:47 AM	#15
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A 1 spy assassin map would be pretty awesome, like The Hidden almost.

09-07-2006, 01:23 PM	#19
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	If you take out soldiers and make it a tight, close quartered map, that would make it pretty even on both sides. The soldiers are a necessity on hunted, otherwise all 5 of the snipers would be on the roof of the first building, sniping everyone that came out since no one could get up there. Unless, of course, there are concs on hunted. Its been forever since I've bothered playing it and I have no idea. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

09-07-2006, 02:42 PM	#20
o_cartosis Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've seen medics conc to the first roof a couple of times but I'm not sure how effective they are up there :S

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