Medkit anims

pF · 01-09-2008, 11:43 PM

Well after a long XSI preparation period of adding bones and weightmapping etc. [i r noob], i'm just about ready to do the animation work for the medkit, and this is where it'd be cool to have some input/suggestions on animation cycles.

The model is pretty much the same as ever. 2 hands, one medkit. All finger joints are movable, i'll be making the red and green buttons on the medkit movable soon, and the round buttons would be 'twistable'.. (although that looked funny in my first tests)

Anyway, here are the in-game animation sequences i seem to remember from the decompiled medkit model. The sequences that have several instances are probably cycled through randomly?

Draw

- nothing fancy. hands pull out medkit.

Idle1
Idle2
Idle3

- at least one of these would have a hand pushing buttons and generally acting busy. though it'd be tempting to have stuff going on in all the idle sequences, i think that it'd be annoying quickly.

Hit1
Hit2
Hit3

- obviously the hands would be pushing the medkit forward.. maybe one of the sequences would include a short slap with the kit (or even a strike with a fist), not sure how that'd look though

Miss1
Miss2
Miss3

- these are tricky.. semi-random movements to the side to show the miss? dunno..

(i think that was it, posting from work so cannot check for sure - i also can't look up the fps and length of each animation right now. Aftershock to the rescue!

)

Input appreciated!

paranoidkirb · 01-10-2008, 02:02 AM

How about some sort of error message for one of the misses?

Dr.Satan · 01-10-2008, 05:24 PM

yeah...like make the red button flash ERROR or something. That would be cool.

GeoKill-----> · 01-10-2008, 06:48 PM

Can't wait to see how it comes out

4est · 01-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Thanks for the work man. I'll see if I can get some Dev feedback.

AfterShock · 01-11-2008, 06:56 AM

Hiya pF,

Firstly, thanks for helping out

Looks like you're doing a good job so far.

Secondly, looks like you're planning to do 10 anims. Getting one of each type is probably a good idea first (a total of 4).

Thirdly, could you expand on exactly what you need in terms of information about 'fps and length' of the anims? (or is that literally it?) As i'll put a message in the dev forum for you.

Thanks again, and good luck!

Everything · 01-11-2008, 07:45 PM

*red flash/beep* "Infection target missed!*/*Teammate missed!*

pF · 01-11-2008, 09:07 PM

Hey everybody,

theoretically the error message should work.. i'll take a look at the rpg viewmodel's ammo counter figure out how to animate the texture. I don't think i can have different animations for hitting friendlies / enemies though, the hit sequences all call the same part of the game code, the game then decides whether to dish out either health or ebola (at least that's how i understand ACT_VM_HITCENTER? Aftershock?

).

Maybe [AE] 5316 can whip up something for the vital signs display thing on the medkit..

Aftershock, never mind, i think in this case the length of the animations doesn't matter.. just when replacing guns etc that already have finished animations.. when you just graft a new animation onto it, it could look and sound wierd, sounds not aligned to the new animation and so forth. Since there are no medkit anims yet, it shouldn't be a problem.

As for the multiple Idle, Hit etc. sequences, is it correct that they are randomly cycled (they all call ACT_VM_HITCENTER)?

Mortifer Soldat`ch · 01-12-2008, 12:40 PM

Im still trying to figure the medkit out..

when you go to the doctor, do they grab a medkit box from the wall, push it to your body and heal you?

I thought the best actual "medkit" model was the syringe from tfc; made more sense.

But what you are doing sounds cool as hell. GJ

Dr.Satan · 01-12-2008, 07:03 PM

Most Combat Medics carry some sort of Medikit. That's the reasoning...why it's pushed to you is b/c there is no way to animate opening it and pulling out a bandaid or whatever with the speed of the game so instead you just tap them with it.

That or it's magic!

Desyphur · 01-13-2008, 06:42 AM

It's an electronic box with an automated syringe, basically.

[AE] 5316 *TKZ* · 01-15-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -pF-

Maybe [AE] 5316 can whip up something for the vital signs display thing on the medkit..

Get with me in IRC, and I'll see what I can do to help you out. I'm on the quakenet and gamesurge FF channels (#fortressforever)

pF · 01-15-2008, 11:46 PM

Hey [AE] 5316, thanks for the reply - I've made the green display use a separate vtf, so we/you can still change it around later.. will the .mdl need a recompile to use the animation, or is this kinda stuff dealt with in the vtm? I'm shaky on how it works exactly

But yeah, other than that i haven't done anything else.. building a new box, uni, work.. no time for medkit.

[AE] 5316 *TKZ* · 01-16-2008, 10:17 AM

when it comes to animations, your guess is as good as mine, lol. Never did get around to figuring that shit out.

How's your google-fu?

Circuitous · 01-16-2008, 04:24 PM

Texture animations are part of the texture, I think so long as the filename hasn't changed and the UVMapping is the same and whatever else, it won't need to be recompiled.

It's like if I posted an image here, then went back and changed the image, and re-uploaded it to the same place. When you refreshed, you'd see the new image, but nothing on this page actually changed.

pF · 01-16-2008, 04:46 PM

Yeah i think, if anything, it's changed in the vtm file.. but what is the syntax to have an animation loop? All i've seen are the $frame calls for the RPG ammo display, which call a single frame of an animated texture..

[AE] 5316 *TKZ* · 01-17-2008, 02:18 PM

didn't somebody do a basic medkit anim? Track that down, and take a peek at how its put together

greenday5494 · 01-18-2008, 03:56 AM

yup, someone did. im using it now. i dont think he actually naimated it, only compiled it.... or something :/

GhostBuster · 01-18-2008, 08:40 PM

http://www.fortress-forever.com/foru...ad.php?t=12720

pF · 02-06-2008, 02:32 AM

Draw anim done, Idle1 nearly done.

01-09-2008, 11:43 PM	#1
pF no war but class war Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: big bad berlin Class/Position: Soldier / Scout Gametype: ctf Affiliations: [w~k!] Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Medkit anims Well after a long XSI preparation period of adding bones and weightmapping etc. [i r noob], i'm just about ready to do the animation work for the medkit, and this is where it'd be cool to have some input/suggestions on animation cycles. The model is pretty much the same as ever. 2 hands, one medkit. All finger joints are movable, i'll be making the red and green buttons on the medkit movable soon, and the round buttons would be 'twistable'.. (although that looked funny in my first tests) Anyway, here are the in-game animation sequences i seem to remember from the decompiled medkit model. The sequences that have several instances are probably cycled through randomly? Draw - nothing fancy. hands pull out medkit. Idle1 Idle2 Idle3 - at least one of these would have a hand pushing buttons and generally acting busy. though it'd be tempting to have stuff going on in all the idle sequences, i think that it'd be annoying quickly. Hit1 Hit2 Hit3 - obviously the hands would be pushing the medkit forward.. maybe one of the sequences would include a short slap with the kit (or even a strike with a fist), not sure how that'd look though Miss1 Miss2 Miss3 - these are tricky.. semi-random movements to the side to show the miss? dunno.. (i think that was it, posting from work so cannot check for sure - i also can't look up the fps and length of each animation right now. Aftershock to the rescue! ) Input appreciated! Last edited by pF; 02-19-2008 at 01:20 PM.

01-10-2008, 05:24 PM	#3
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	yeah...like make the red button flash ERROR or something. That would be cool. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

01-10-2008, 06:48 PM	#4
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01-10-2008, 08:21 PM	#5
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01-11-2008, 07:45 PM	#7
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01-10-2008, 02:02 AM	#2
paranoidkirb Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O/D Pyro Gametype: Invade and Defend Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	How about some sort of error message for one of the misses?

01-11-2008, 06:56 AM	#6
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	Hiya pF, Firstly, thanks for helping out Looks like you're doing a good job so far. Secondly, looks like you're planning to do 10 anims. Getting one of each type is probably a good idea first (a total of 4). Thirdly, could you expand on exactly what you need in terms of information about 'fps and length' of the anims? (or is that literally it?) As i'll put a message in the dev forum for you. Thanks again, and good luck!

01-11-2008, 09:07 PM	#8
pF no war but class war Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: big bad berlin Class/Position: Soldier / Scout Gametype: ctf Affiliations: [w~k!] Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Hey everybody, theoretically the error message should work.. i'll take a look at the rpg viewmodel's ammo counter figure out how to animate the texture. I don't think i can have different animations for hitting friendlies / enemies though, the hit sequences all call the same part of the game code, the game then decides whether to dish out either health or ebola (at least that's how i understand ACT_VM_HITCENTER? Aftershock? ). Maybe [AE] 5316 can whip up something for the vital signs display thing on the medkit.. Aftershock, never mind, i think in this case the length of the animations doesn't matter.. just when replacing guns etc that already have finished animations.. when you just graft a new animation onto it, it could look and sound wierd, sounds not aligned to the new animation and so forth. Since there are no medkit anims yet, it shouldn't be a problem. As for the multiple Idle, Hit etc. sequences, is it correct that they are randomly cycled (they all call ACT_VM_HITCENTER)?

01-12-2008, 12:40 PM	#9
Mortifer Soldat`ch Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Im still trying to figure the medkit out.. when you go to the doctor, do they grab a medkit box from the wall, push it to your body and heal you? I thought the best actual "medkit" model was the syringe from tfc; made more sense. But what you are doing sounds cool as hell. GJ

01-12-2008, 07:03 PM	#10
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	Most Combat Medics carry some sort of Medikit. That's the reasoning...why it's pushed to you is b/c there is no way to animate opening it and pulling out a bandaid or whatever with the speed of the game so instead you just tap them with it. That or it's magic! __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

01-13-2008, 06:42 AM	#11
Desyphur OHH! OHHH NOOO! Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's an electronic box with an automated syringe, basically. __________________ What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter...but that voice was just a whisper now.

01-15-2008, 11:46 PM	#13
pF no war but class war Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: big bad berlin Class/Position: Soldier / Scout Gametype: ctf Affiliations: [w~k!] Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Hey [AE] 5316, thanks for the reply - I've made the green display use a separate vtf, so we/you can still change it around later.. will the .mdl need a recompile to use the animation, or is this kinda stuff dealt with in the vtm? I'm shaky on how it works exactly But yeah, other than that i haven't done anything else.. building a new box, uni, work.. no time for medkit.

01-16-2008, 10:17 AM	#14
[AE] 5316 TKZ D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Class/Position: Medic - O Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [AE] Asseater Clan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	when it comes to animations, your guess is as good as mine, lol. Never did get around to figuring that shit out. How's your google-fu? __________________ ================================================== \| [AE] Clan \| Rated R - Langauge/Violence/Adult Themes ICQ #:151482789 * AIM: fl4shbang * Y!: greerjt2000 ==================================================

01-16-2008, 04:24 PM	#15
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Texture animations are part of the texture, I think so long as the filename hasn't changed and the UVMapping is the same and whatever else, it won't need to be recompiled. It's like if I posted an image here, then went back and changed the image, and re-uploaded it to the same place. When you refreshed, you'd see the new image, but nothing on this page actually changed. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

01-16-2008, 04:46 PM	#16
pF no war but class war Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: big bad berlin Class/Position: Soldier / Scout Gametype: ctf Affiliations: [w~k!] Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Yeah i think, if anything, it's changed in the vtm file.. but what is the syntax to have an animation loop? All i've seen are the $frame calls for the RPG ammo display, which call a single frame of an animated texture..

01-17-2008, 02:18 PM	#17
[AE] 5316 TKZ D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Class/Position: Medic - O Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [AE] Asseater Clan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	didn't somebody do a basic medkit anim? Track that down, and take a peek at how its put together __________________ ================================================== \| [AE] Clan \| Rated R - Langauge/Violence/Adult Themes ICQ #:151482789 * AIM: fl4shbang * Y!: greerjt2000 ==================================================

01-18-2008, 03:56 AM	#18
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	yup, someone did. im using it now. i dont think he actually naimated it, only compiled it.... or something :/ __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

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02-06-2008, 02:32 AM	#20
pF no war but class war Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: big bad berlin Class/Position: Soldier / Scout Gametype: ctf Affiliations: [w~k!] Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Draw anim done, Idle1 nearly done. __________________ Support FF: Gay And Lesbian Fiction \| Teen Books \| Bath Products

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