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Old 08-07-2008, 05:48 PM   #1
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Alright. Scuzzy, I understand how your plan is to keep your community enjoyable without the worry of troublemakers, but it's messed up that you look like you have no sympathy for those who've understand that they've made a mistake and would like a second chance. Hell, even I would like a second chance. Back in January I decided I was done FF for the day. Instead of simply leaving, I took another path and typed the n-word, not realizing that it does more than kicking you. And now I'm perma'd. [My steam ID is STEAM_0:1:11716758 if you want to check the logs.]

I didn't direct it to anybody, and now I'm disappointed that I can only sit in the stands if the O-t server is the only server with players. It really upsets me every time when I get on Fortress Forever and find only O-t active. I have to turn right back around to find something else to occupy my time that I'm not in the mood for. I'm friendly in-game. You can ask people who know me. Even though I'm speaking their voice, I'm confident that I'm not one of those jackasses.

Sure, I'm only one player, but with almost 250 bans...you got to realize the TF2 community is many, many times bigger, and the bans are barely twice as much as FF's. Some do deserve to be perma'd, but realize that the others need a second chance.

You may have 20-30 new players every day, but what's important is: how many are going to stick around long enough, to give the FF community a chance to expand? Maybe 15% of the new players stick around for months, 5% stay for years for all we know. Not only that, but you're also going to have the ones that leave after time has gone by. It's no wonder that after 11 months of Fortress Forever's release, it doesn't look like the popularity in-game has increased.

God, I lead off to another topic. That above paragraph is pretty much talking about Fortress Forever's popularity. It doesn't involve much about O-t's consequences, but your actions will impact over time. You're going to have those who quit because the O-t server is usually the only server occupied when they get on, even if those are the people who need a second chance.

You must look at a group solid. I don't know if that made sense. Like... you look at a group as how it's labeled. A group of perma'd players looks like a group entirely made up of people who are guilty and shouldn't have a second chance. There's always something else in something. No matter what, a group of mean people always has at least one truly nice person. See what I'm saying?

Yeah, my ban was my fault. But when you're banning players, it doesn't take much to realize that at most of them came to your sever for gaming and having fun, not trouble-making. There are people out there who are sorry and want a second chance but feel hopeless. Even I feel hopeless.

I'm not saying that you should give every banned player more than two chances. Just one. Hell, ban them after that second if they screw up again. I'm saying you'll have a better community with players who've learned their lesson and are dedicating their time with it. It's not like you have a problem permabanning them a second time if they mess up again, do you?
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:40 PM   #2
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Alright. Scuzzy, I understand how your plan is to keep your community enjoyable without the worry of troublemakers, but it's messed up that you look like you have no sympathy for those who've understand that they've made a mistake and would like a second chance. Hell, even I would like a second chance. Back in January I decided I was done FF for the day. Instead of simply leaving, I took another path and typed the n-word, not realizing that it does more than kicking you. And now I'm perma'd. [My steam ID is STEAM_0:1:11716758 if you want to check the logs.]

I didn't direct it to anybody, and now I'm disappointed that I can only sit in the stands if the O-t server is the only server with players. It really upsets me every time when I get on Fortress Forever and find only O-t active. I have to turn right back around to find something else to occupy my time that I'm not in the mood for. I'm friendly in-game. You can ask people who know me. Even though I'm speaking their voice, I'm confident that I'm not one of those jackasses.
Your entire post sounds plausible, aside from this instance your account is clean. The ban on both of your accounts STEAM_0:1:11716758 and STEAM_0:0:5107422 have been discussed and lifted. Try to keep it clean from now on.

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Old 08-07-2008, 11:58 PM   #3
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Seriously if you're banned on O-T all you gotta do is ask about it in a respectful way, people... it ain't hard.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:02 AM   #4
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Seriously if you're banned on O-T all you gotta do is ask about it in a respectful way, people... it ain't hard.
Unless, of course, you're against the very existence of such a server and believe the owner is a power-hungry egotist dictator.

Also, the number of bans is nowhere near 250. Add a zero to the end of that I think you might be close.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:44 AM   #5
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This area is set up for a central location for players to come to and ask why,who,how come they were banned. This isn't a forum for a shit fest. It also serves as a place for server owners to get advice on admin mods, Problem players, server support in general. So please don't troll the threads for issues (personal vendettas) against servers.

If you have a issue with the server make a post specifically addressing the issue please.
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:02 AM   #6
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This area is set up for a central location for players to come to and ask why,who,how come they were banned. This isn't a forum for a shit fest. It also serves as a place for server owners to get advice on admin mods, Problem players, server support in general. So please don't troll the threads for issues (personal vendettas) against servers.

If you have a issue with the server make a post specifically addressing the issue please.
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You mean like the threads I made about it that were deleted?
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You mean like the threads I made about it that were deleted?

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Use this forum for any of the following:
  • Inquire with server owners about policy, or actions that have been taken ("I got banned, why?," "You guys suck," etc.).
  • Share information with other server owners and administrators (problem players, other concerns).

Any such posts outside of this forum will be moved to this forum as necessary.

This forum does not overrule Server Administration for general discussion about servers and mods - it instead focuses directly on administration and server users.
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2.2. Be reasonable. Be civil and respectful when posting regardless of what you’re saying or to whom you’re speaking. Being civil means, at a minimum, all of the following: no harassment, racism, sexism, homophobia, nation-hating (“country bashing”), clan bashing, pub-player bashing, “n00b” bashing, etc…. This rule extends to EVERYTHING related to the forum: name, threads, posts, PMs, images, your profile, etc…
Now my question is were these threads before or after this particular sub forum was made? If so if you view the forum rules it says

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That would be why it was deleted. Now I haven't seen any deleted posts in this sub forum by any moderators. Now if you make a civil post in a mature way I'm sure scuzzy will discuss it with you. But who ever reads this remember these are still flame free forums and flames will be put out.
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Actually, 3.3 needs to change. That's what this board is for, so that no longer applies.

He can be as rude, snarky, or idiotic as he pleases when making threads here - this board is meant to be self-moderating. If he wants to make himself look like an ass in front of FF's server operators and board members, he's welcome to do so. Just don't be surprised if no one cares.

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Unless, of course, you're against the very existence of such a server and believe the owner is a power-hungry egotist dictator.

Also, the number of bans is nowhere near 250. Add a zero to the end of that I think you might be close.
Side note: if you don't care about the server, don't post like you're angry, 'cuz that makes it look like you care.

Take me, for example. I don't like [O-T]'s rules, I don't entirely agree with maintaining year-old bans, blah, blah, blah... but I don't whine about it, I don't cry about it, and I sure as fuck don't become a total asshole and grief them at every opportunity as some sort of lame protest against them. It's their server, their rules, their community, and they can run it however the hell they want to.

Try acting like an adult about the situation for a change.
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Ya I was referring to the posts that would have been made in the general section before you made this board for us.
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Old 08-09-2008, 03:30 PM   #11
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Unless, of course, you're against the very existence of such a server
Can I get a little more information on what 'such a server' means? There are many of un administrated no-ban servers out there... not sure why one teeny tiny 22 slot server with our rules is so offensive.

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and believe the owner is a power-hungry egotist dictator.
Who are you reffering to exactly? There is no real one owner of the server, and all members are equals clan, there are no leaders. A few of us pay the financials, and develop the software, but having 50 people all try to pay the bills would be a bit difficult.

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Also, the number of bans is nowhere near 250. Add a zero to the end of that I think you might be close.
FF has only been out for a year, its kinda silly to think all 2600 of our bans are from FF.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:25 PM   #12
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ya Tsukasa went kind of nuts the last time this subject came up. He thought he could change my mind and make me against servers with rules, hes wrong.

See he just doesn't seem to like rules at all


Hes also upset that posts on these forums were deleted that had to do with him being upset about servers with rules. He told me that when he "requested" you to remove "to drop the word filter, as the bans are cross-game (tfc, FF, hidden), and permanent." and you refused he then started to advise people "to evaluate for themselves whether they wanted to support a server with such draconian rules."

I kept pointing out that he doesn't pay for the server and that OT and you can make what ever rules you want and that considering that there are 3+ million people that have steam at least then 2500 bans over many years over many games is not all that many.

I also pointed out that you guys give lots of warnings before you ban someone and that even the automated stuff warn people.

He said stuff like... "I don't want to play on his server. I just want others to be aware of it."

which I then told him that the rules are flashed up on the screen when playing.

He was mainly pissed off that when him and a friend were doing 1v1 on the OT server he still had to follow the rules.

Course I think my favorite part of the argument was when he went with this analogy...

Me and my girlfriend break up, I move to another state, I wouldn't expect the girls in the new state to "bitchslap" me because I broke up with my girlfriend.

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If we go with your analogy that scuzzy was my girlfriend and I broke up with her and then I moved to another state. I wouldn't expect all the girls there to slap me everything they see me. Reason because Scuzzy doesn't know every single girl in that state.

If you are on Scuzzy's ban list you are not banned from every server in the world, you are only banned from the servers Scuzzy is allowed to put his ban list on.

or going with Me and Scuzzy breaking up, I would only be on the slap list of all of Scuzzy's friends, not every girl unless Scuzzy knew every girl in every state (or in my case province)
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And actually ya, if I got banned from a server, I would expect to be banned from all servers that person runs. Mainly because I've run into many idiots that I have personally banned from one server and they go from server to server that the person owned and caused problems on each and everyone of them.
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If you think that the server rules should be changed just because you're the only one there or you are there with just a friend, then you have no respect for people and judging by how you are starting to flame me, calling me a tool or having my head up scuzzy's butt then it just proves you have no respect for me or for him.

I would like to remind you of your own words that you said to me in the very first pm...
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P.S. If your reading this, I included you on the PM because I thought you were both interested and mature enough to keep this at an intellectual level. If your going to reply, no flaming, no personal attacks, reply to everyone (not just me), and do not quote the entire message (parts are fine).
Again judging by your last reply, you couldn't even follow your own request of me.

No wonder you were banned, you don't have respect for rules, not even your own.

Oh and no I couldn't reply to everyone because your name was the only one showing up, thats why no one else got this. So everything you read and sent to me, was not sent to anyone else. I forgot to mention this during the first e-mail.
Like I said he has no respect for rules, not even his own. Not once did I insult him, yet he turns around and starts insulting me just because I am not telling him what he wanted to hear.

This his last message to me...
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The problem is that FF only has 1 server populated, sometimes 2. I wouldn't care if this was any other game or if we had more players.

As for your remark about the reply all, I wasn't aware the recipients were hidden, and as you were the only one to respond to it, I didn't see any reason to quote you and resend.

Whatever, i'm done with you. I thought you might come around, but apparently my gut reaction about you was correct. You can reply to this PM, but don't expect a response.
Oh and normally I don't like posting private messages, because well they are private, but he wanted me to send to other people while replying to him so I figure he won't mind.

And if he does, oh well, he shouldn't have requested me to send to others if he wanted them to remain private.
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:43 PM   #15
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yeah, tsukasa.... hes in a class all on his own
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Wow, a spam campaign for a server he doesn't care about. I'm touched.
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Wow, a spam campaign for a server he doesn't care about. I'm touched.
ya it made me laugh too, specially when he started insulting me after he requested to keep insults out and then when he realized that I wasn't going to change my mind that OT can run their server like they want to and the fact that I like the OT server because of those rules.
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Caleb I think you're all set, gonna lock this puppy now.

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